Rivers in China leading up to the Amazon village?

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Rivers in China leading up to the Amazon village?

Postby Tuisto » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:26 pm

Now, is it not true that the Amazon Village (Joketsuzoko) as well as Jusenkyo is (fictionaly) located somewhere in the Bayanakala mountains of the Quing-Hai province?
Now then as I understand it, there are two navigable rivers leading from the sea of Japan to this region, The Yellow River (Huang_He) and the Yangtze River.

Now then, onto my REAL, albeit minor question, if there were oh... say... three Chinese Amazons (technically though Mousse isn't an Amazon but from a neighboring village, right?) fleeing Japan as fast as possible to get back to their part of the mainland, which river do you think they'd take as their route?

It's a minor detail, but it's nagging at me, So I humbly ask thee dear reader, to assuage my conscious on the factual accuracy of my fanfiction... lend me thine input!

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Postby Spokavriel » Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:08 pm

Maybe if you could find a current road map of China that shows both of those rivers it could help. Pick the most isolated tributary in those mountains running into one of those rivers with the fewest towns along the water and that would seem to work.

Might have to use Google Earth and an older map to work it out just because the Chinese Government hasn't exactly been free with info but I'd think the less populated the path the more likely the amazons would use it.
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Re: Rivers in China leading up to the Amazon village?

Postby Daniel Jess Gibson » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:33 am

Tuisto wrote:Now, is it not true that the Amazon Village (Joketsuzoko) as well as Jusenkyo is (fictionaly) located somewhere in the Bayanakala mountains of the Quing-Hai province?

Now then, onto my REAL, albeit minor question, if there were oh... say... three Chinese Amazons (technically though Mousse isn't an Amazon but from a neighboring village, right?) fleeing Japan as fast as possible to get back to their part of the mainland, which river do you think they'd take as their route?

Don't ignore the possibility of flying to Burma and taking the Burma/Lashio road, or flying to India and treking overland. If speed is the object, that cuts thousands of miles of fighting the river currents.
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Re: Rivers in China leading up to the Amazon village?

Postby lwf58 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:13 am

Daniel Jess Gibson wrote:Don't ignore the possibility of flying to Burma and taking the Burma/Lashio road, or flying to India and trekking overland. If speed is the object, that cuts thousands of miles of fighting the river currents.


Burma (Myanmar, now) is far south of Qinghai, and is heavy jungle in those parts that haven't been slashed-and-burned. The Burma Road is not an easy passage, either. None of the roads in that part of the world are, really. After that, you have to make your way through Sichuan first.

India is the worst option - you have to travel through Tibet to get to Qinghai, right through the heart of the Himalayas. If you're going that route, I'd fly to Kathmandu in Nepal first, and at least get a start on the elevation instead of climbing all the way from India.

Of course, that presupposes they have the money for a commercial airline, and can get passports and visas for the other countries they'd have to pass through. If they don't, then across the Sea of Japan to the coast of China is the most logical route. It involves no travel through other countries.

It's been discussed before, and the assumption is that Jusenkyou would be somewhere in the region around 35n,91e. There's an unnamed volcano in that part of the province that makes for a candidate to be Mount Phoenix, as well as plenty of lakes. I can't see any rivers there that look navigable all the way to the coast, so they'd probably be on their own feet much of the way. The closest major rivers seem to be in the neighborhood of 34n,94e.
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Postby Ahye » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:51 am

Of course, that presupposes they have the money for a commercial airline, and can get passports and visas for the other countries they'd have to pass through. If they don't, then across the Sea of Japan to the coast of China is the most logical route. It involves no travel through other countries.


I believe it was in the the anime, but I remember Cologne arrived in some kind of little hut shaped like a bird, that was being towed by a jetliner, which was then lowered to the ground by giant dodo birds. Or something similar. If she could manage something like that again, I doubt they'd have to worry about passports or paying for the flight, so that leaves open the possibility of just hitching a ride behind a plane that's headed over top of the area they want to go, and releasing their little hut and getting the birds to lower them down to the ground again. Certainly much faster than traveling overland. Now, weither that's a viable option is of course debatable. If you ascribe to the more fantastic parts of the story, then it would work, but if you want to keep things more realistic (in a tale of superpowered matrial artists throwing ki-blasts around), then you might want to take her method of arrival as just something silly to ignore, and go by more convential methods.
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Postby TerraEpon » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:15 am

Considering Shampoo is only away for a couple weeks in the Moxibustion arc, I'd say however they get home is pretty quick. It's quite probable that the plane-hitching is they way she did it too...


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Postby Spokavriel » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:20 am

That air litter was carrying only one small matriarch. I've never seen it used again much less for anyone larger. Traveling that way with 3 people. How many birds do you think it would take to slow the descent?
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Postby Ahye » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:55 pm

One small matriarch, a duck, and a small cat? Not much difference I'd think.
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Postby lwf58 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:04 pm

Spokavriel wrote:How many birds do you think it would take to slow the descent?


Depends. We talking swallows? and if so, African or European swallows?
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Postby Spokavriel » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:30 pm

I'm not going to get into the shrubberies and the question was about 3 amazons getting back. This is the first time cursed form was suggested. Maybe they used live animal shipping most nations allow it overnight so long as local laws are observed. Then again I only know of 2 cursed amazons so what is the full situation and what's possible in the scenario?
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Postby UberJugla » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:32 pm

oh man, nice ref. I just laughed my ass off then :)

As for the bird situation... your asking how many more it would take with 3 people? In the first case how many birds would it take to hold up just the structure WITHOUT even the old ghoul? A lot more than it shows thats for sure. Anime physics strikes again... The same kind of physics that has so many er... gifted ladies that don't need proper support or get back pain :)
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Postby Spokavriel » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:39 pm

But you see the birds didn't have to get it up nor even keep it aloft it was hooked to a plane after all. They just had to keep it from landing hard with the Matriarch inside. At least that's my take on it.
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Postby wildeman » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:14 pm

What about Ling-Ling, Lung-Lung, Pink, Link, Sampoo's father, and Plum. How would they travel to Tokyo.
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Postby Tuisto » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:08 pm

wildeman wrote:What about Ling-Ling, Lung-Lung, Pink, Link, Shampoo's father, and Plum. How would they travel to Tokyo.


THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION!

Here I was, just about to scrap the river/boat/road transit bit, and opt-out for a simple plane ride in the cargo-hold... which of course was going to seriously screw with my plot, as I just didn't see Cologne, Shampoo, and Mousse as the types to jump from a plane with parachutes, not to mention other problems. :?

See, I've also been going over as many maps as I could find online, and well, as near as I can tell there aren't like real "roads" in that part of the world. There are however, boating ports for the villages along both rivers... but finding satellite shots is damned near impossible! [gopfertori paranoid Chiniis... seufz...] but online tourist maps and vacation pics work... :roll:
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