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Who knows Ryoga is P-chan?

Postby FriendlyEL » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:47 pm

I just want to know which one of the charachters know of Ryoga's identity, and how people think each one would respond to figuring it out (ie telling Akane to spite him, using it to blackmail him, just letting it go, etc).

As far as I know, Ranma, all three of the Amazons and maybe Genma and Soun know. But how do you think the following people would have responded if they descovered Ryoga was P-chan?

Happosai
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Postby lcpoketoon » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:05 pm

Hmm i'm pretty sure Happi knows about ryouga's curse.

As for reactions, well Kasumi would be very upset with him an banish him from her home.
Nabiki would blackmail him into doing what she wants him to tooplus also work to keep him away from akane.
Ukyo would kill him she the closest to being friends with Akane out of the girls after Ranma.
I think Kuno wouldn't ever figure it out while Kodachi might get a intrest in the curses since as far as I know no one has tried to tell her about them.

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Postby deathgeonous » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:37 pm

I think, according to canon that is, that Ranma is the ONLY ONE to know. The Father's knowing is put in a lot of fics, but for purely canon's sake, Ranma is the only one to know to my knowlage. As to Nabiki, She would not blackmail him in my oppion, but make his life a living hell for doing what he did to Akane. And maybe Ranma's as well, well worse then what she does do to him at least, for a little while until she calmed down. Kasumi, well she would never let him into the house again, Uyko, Pork Okonomiyaki anyone? The Kuno's? If they Can't grasp Ranma, Shampoo or Mouse or Taro, they'll never get it. Happosai would aprove of him. Just think what he did with his curse, and think of what Happosai does. He would meet with the Happosai seal of aproval. And the fathers? I think if they found out, they'd do what most fic writers have them do, use it to try to make Ranma jellous.

I like Ryoga, and I usaly portray him in a positive light, but this is what I see as reactions to his use of his curse as P-chan. He'd be dead if he ever came back to Nerima after it was found out he was P-chan, and Ranma would be in a lot of hot water.
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Postby Spokavriel » Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:52 pm

Ranma knows Cologne and Shampoo know in both the Anime and Manga. It's kinda hard to ignore. Genma and the Jusenkyo guide also know from that cooking attempt in China. Although I don't know for sure if Genma knew the naked boy to fly out of the Wok that day was Ryouga Hibiki.

Mouse ends up finding if not sooner when working with Ryouga either in hot springs races (anime) or in Tarou's water traps (Manga)

I don't know how anyone would react but I can't dispute the earlier assessments.
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Postby WG_Writer » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:24 pm

deathgeonous wrote:I think, according to canon that is, that Ranma is the ONLY ONE to know. The Father's knowing is put in a lot of fics, but for purely canon's sake, Ranma is the only one to know to my knowlage. As to Nabiki, She would not blackmail him in my oppion, but make his life a living hell for doing what he did to Akane. And maybe Ranma's as well, well worse then what she does do to him at least, for a little while until she calmed down. Kasumi, well she would never let him into the house again, Uyko, Pork Okonomiyaki anyone? The Kuno's? If they Can't grasp Ranma, Shampoo or Mouse or Taro, they'll never get it. Happosai would aprove of him. Just think what he did with his curse, and think of what Happosai does. He would meet with the Happosai seal of aproval. And the fathers? I think if they found out, they'd do what most fic writers have them do, use it to try to make Ranma jellous.

I like Ryoga, and I usaly portray him in a positive light, but this is what I see as reactions to his use of his curse as P-chan. He'd be dead if he ever came back to Nerima after it was found out he was P-chan, and Ranma would be in a lot of hot water.


I have to dispute the father's point here, P-chan jumped into the furo WITH Soun still in it and changed, Soun seemed shocked so he might have decided it was just a dream or something but the fact is he clearly saw the transformation in an undeniable way. I may have my points against him but, dumb and blind as a Kuno he is not.

Moouse knows as they have changed with each other a few times, plus there was the Herb arc which would make the connection, I don't remember specifically but I believe that Cologne knows. Genma does know since he did try cooking Ryoga-pig once but if he remembers it and made the connection to p-chan is never stated so it could go either way.

Akari definitely knows and I believe I remember the time Akari and Akane meet Ryoga had to play interception to keep Akane from finding out, but it has been a year since I read that so I might be mistaken.

The ones I am unsure about are:
Nabiki - Probably doesn't know or Ryoga would be feeling it and we would see definite interaction over it
Shampoo - probably does but there is no reason for her to act on the knowledge and all the reason to keep it to herself. After all it would reduce the chance of Akane choosing Ryoga.
Ukyo - probably doesn't know but could, same as shampoo for Reasons, otherwise there is no real interaction over it.

The ones I know don't know
Kasumi - self explanitory
Nodoka - she was never around Ryoga enough
Akane's friends at school - if they knew she probably would
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Postby FriendlyEL » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:36 pm

I thought a little in my story of making Ukyo pour tea on P-chan while sitting in Akane's lap when she found out, not doing it so much because she is angry about the situation but more to spite him due to the fact that I'm aware she doesn't have a very high opinion of him anyways. Anyone find that OOC?
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Postby TerraEpon » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:38 pm

Colonge and Shampoo both know -- they put him in the pot and saw him change, which is in fact what led to the breaking point thing in the first place.

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Postby WG_Writer » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:45 pm

FriendlyEL wrote:I thought a little in my story of making Ukyo pour tea on P-chan while sitting in Akane's lap when she found out, not doing it so much because she is angry about the situation but more to spite him due to the fact that I'm aware she doesn't have a very high opinion of him anyways. Anyone find that OOC?


In my opinion she would pour tea if she had nothing to lose. if she did not make the same promise as Ranma and she found out about the curse be seeing it and not hearing about it, then I can easily see it. Unfortunately if she heard about it from Moouse (if he felt like t for some reason) or Akari I can see them persuading her to let the scam go. But Ukyo and Akane could get along as friends if not for the engagement in my opinion.

Then again there is always generic feminine outrage at perversity to consider. She probably would do it just to teach the pervert a lesson about peeping on girls.
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Postby bneef » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:49 pm

Genma and Soun know. Soun knows, or should know, because Ryoga changed to human with Soun in the furo shortly after becoming P-Chan, the "pet." Genma has the mental capacity to remember Ryoga as the boy he almost ate. I don't remember if he admitted it or not.

As for reactions, the Kuno's will only think Ryoga has disappeared, or appeared, when he changes.

Nabiki would divert all of her "amusement" to Ryoga, setting him up for exposure to Akane. She'll blame Ranma for keeping the secret, but may relent when she learns of the reason.

Kasumi is hard to call. Perhaps less hospitable would be accurate. After all, she lets Genma remain in the house, knowing what he did to Ranma.

Ukyou may still push Ryoga on Akane. Her justification would be they deserve each other: Akane for her treatment of Ranma, and Ryoga for holding Ranma to a broken promise.

Happosai knows. He tried to imitate P-Chan to get close to Akane.

The Amazons know, if for no other reason than Mousse telling what he knows to Shampoo.
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Postby WG_Writer » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:53 pm

Thinking about it I doubt Konatsu knows or he would have likely told Ukyo. and Konatsu is probably the only person aside from Ranma that if they knew would directly benefit them to have the truth come out and not for vengeance. After all if Akane were to find out about it and after the initial problem with her anger at Ranma over it their relationship would improve, thus degrade Ukyo's chances with Ranma's and increase his own. Then again he might go the opposite way and leave it happening if he felt he cared enough about Ukyo to let her marry Ranma... either way I don't think we have proof.
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Postby Spokavriel » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:53 pm

Happosai tried immitating P-Chan because P-Chan was sleeping in Akane's bed every night. That isn't proof of knowledge of the curse just an attempt to exploit the same tactic.
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Postby Jester_of_doom » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:54 pm

FriendlyEL wrote:I thought a little in my story of making Ukyo pour tea on P-chan while sitting in Akane's lap when she found out, not doing it so much because she is angry about the situation but more to spite him due to the fact that I'm aware she doesn't have a very high opinion of him anyways. Anyone find that OOC?


Personally i think that sounds more randomly mean than i would expect from Ukyo. I think it might be within her normal behavior range is Ryouga had just done something that seriously annoyed her. For issues with her doing it out of anger at Ryouga misusing the situation i think shed probably only do it is he was abusing it in front of her; like if Akane held him to her chest, Ukyo told him to get down and he ignored her and leaned into her more or if it was the first time she learned Akane took him to bed with her.
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Postby rmt » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:36 pm

FriendlyEL wrote:I thought a little in my story of making Ukyo pour tea on P-chan while sitting in Akane's lap when she found out, not doing it so much because she is angry about the situation but more to spite him due to the fact that I'm aware she doesn't have a very high opinion of him anyways. Anyone find that OOC?


I think I've said before, but yes. I think it's OOC, perhaps not outrageously so, but it's enough that if it isn't handled properly it's just not going to feel right (unless the reader doesn't like her or doesn't care about characterisation anyway).

Bear in mind that in your fic, the Akane / Ukyou friendship isn't really a factor. In fact, I could almost see your Ukyou enjoying the fact that Akane is getting "fondled" by a guy without even knowing it... perhaps. But to expose Ryouga knowing fully how both he and Akane will react to the situation... well, she'd need to be in a pretty desperate situation herself, psychologically, or to really hate Ryouga, to pull it off convincingly IMO. On the other hand, if she didn't really know how they would react, you might get away with it. The act itself is nowhere near as nasty if you don't understand the personalities involved.

As for her hating Ryouga... I don't really see it. Sure, they're not exactly best buddies, but I see her regarding Ryouga as more of an annoyance (and one to be ignored except when he can be useful) than anything else. Of course, that might have changed in the latter chapters of your fic.
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Postby claymade » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:05 pm

bneef wrote:The Amazons know, if for no other reason than Mousse telling what he knows to Shampoo.

Cologne's introduction to Ryouga was another attempted cooking, which caused him to change to human form right in front of her. Shampoo was in the same room, watching. (Not to mention that Mousse and Shampoo also bring hot water for him in the Taro arc.) So yes, all the Amazons most definitely know.

Soun, Genma and Taro also know. Taro for obvious reasons, and Soun and Genma because Ranma transformed Ryouga into a piglet to cool him off while they were all interrogating Taro.
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Postby Spokavriel » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:20 pm

About the situation proposed. I find it more likely to have an accident happen where someone not paying attention bumps into Ukyo and causes her to spill her Tea on P-chan causing suprise results for her and Akane than out of any mallice. Say Tsubasa gets discovered pretending to be something behind her and in the escape attempt the tea gets flung on the chest snuggling eyes closed P-chan. Who of cource turns into a verry Naked Ryouga in Akane's arms.
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