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Postby GenocideHeart » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:07 am

Pale Wolf wrote:No... apparently not.
Remember Rouge's Spring of Drowned Ashura? That was from a statue that 'drowned' in the pool. The distinction between what causes a curse and what doesn't isn't as simple as 'biological/not'.

Which is funny when you consider that an Ashura is technically a demon.
I suppose you could chalk it up to 'the creature needs a soul'.
This, of course, STILL disqualifies KOS MOS, as she DOESN'T have a soul. She just has sophisticate programming that lets her replicate human emotions.
EDIT: Also, wasn't the Spring of Drowned Ashura anime-only? I tend to disregard anime filler when it comes to canon information.
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Postby MC80a Liberty » Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:48 am

GenocideHeart wrote:EDIT: Also, wasn't the Spring of Drowned Ashura anime-only? I tend to disregard anime filler when it comes to canon information.

I'm fairly certain that I recall seeing the spring of drowned Ashura mentioned in the manga, although I can't check at the moment.
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Postby Climhazard » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:17 am

EDIT: Also, wasn't the Spring of Drowned Ashura anime-only? I tend to disregard anime filler when it comes to canon information.

No, it`s not. Ashura also appear in manga.
EDIT: Also, wasn't the Spring of Drowned Ashura anime-only? I tend to disregard anime filler when it comes to canon information.

Ashura a demon, all right... But statue of Ashura definitely not a demon by any margins.
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Postby TerraEpon » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:11 am

Ashura is ONLY manga in fact.
Remember, Akane didn't drown either, and there's a Sping of Drowned Akane...
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Postby GenocideHeart » Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:34 pm

TerraEpon wrote:Ashura is ONLY manga in fact.
Remember, Akane didn't drown either, and there's a Sping of Drowned Akane...
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Didn't she stop breathing for a while? That may well count as drowning.
Anyway, Jusenkyou is stupidly shallow as far as how the magic works goes. There's only one common denominator, apparently - everything that drowned in it had some sort of spirit or soul in it. That's why I don't see it working on KOS MOS. Albedo outright calls her a 'soulless construct' in Ep. 2.
Let's overlook how the basics of 'Spring of Drowned Akane' are stupid. Supposedly, the springs just makes you into what you would have been had you been born/created/whatever in that particular body and sex. Takahashi herself stated that at one point.
Of course, she then blatantly backpedals and makes Akane create a Spring of Drowned Akane, even though technically, it should've been just Spring of Drowned Girl MkII.
I can't take seriously something that's both so important to the manga and so poorly tought out. :(
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Postby Pale Wolf » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:56 pm

EDIT: Also, wasn't the Spring of Drowned Ashura anime-only? I tend to disregard anime filler when it comes to canon information.

As far as I know of the anime, she didn't show up in it.
Which is funny when you consider that an Ashura is technically a demon.
I suppose you could chalk it up to 'the creature needs a soul'.

A statue has a soul?
Anyway, Jusenkyou is stupidly shallow as far as how the magic works goes. There's only one common denominator, apparently - everything that drowned in it had some sort of spirit or soul in it.

I dunno about that. I'd imagine there are ways to logically make an explanation of Jusenkyo's functioning that allows almost anything you want to drown. Frankly, if you ignore ideas like 'the soul', or the sanctity of carbon (ie biological), which really make little sense from a chemical perspective, Jusenkyo could work on anything.
This, of course, STILL disqualifies KOS MOS, as she DOESN'T have a soul. She just has sophisticate programming that lets her replicate human emotions.

Well... honestly, said programming is a great deal closer to a soul than anything a statue can have.
Of course, she then blatantly backpedals and makes Akane create a Spring of Drowned Akane, even though technically, it should've been just Spring of Drowned Girl MkII.

Takahashi is Takahashi.
Fortunately, there are ways to twist one's mind around her inconsistencies. For instance, the Akane spring could simply be due to how fresh it is, maintaining the template at a perfect level.
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Postby Lenneth » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:42 pm

Technicality's aside there was also a very good Ranma/Steel Angel Karumi Cross that I am looking for at the moment that uses a similar idea to what I am.
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Postby Knight of L-sama » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:56 am

Pale Wolf wrote:A statue has a soul?

I'm pretty sure that I've seen various legends of Far East Asian origin where inanimate objects have become possessed by spirts, and not always benign ones either.
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Postby crystlshake » Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:00 am

The statue could be explained as having a demon or something sealed into it too. Though I would question how the spring of drowned Kos Mos came about I suppose.... Becoming a machine far advanced from normal tech on the planet could cause a number of problems too.
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Postby Pale Wolf » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:46 pm

Like maintenance.
Repairs as well, although I doubt there's much that could actually hurt her on Earth at present.
And one musn't forget power supply...
But really, turning Ranma into some kind of Spring of Drowned Android creates one huge question. How the heck did she get back to present Earth to drown?
If you can't answer that reasonably, or come up with an excuse for why Ranma turned into something similar to her from a non-KOS-MOS pool (heck if I know... a Spring of Drowned Robot mixed with Girl might make a case for it), then you really shouldn't change Ranma into her.
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Postby Lenneth » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:03 pm

Pale Wolf wrote:But really, turning Ranma into some kind of Spring of Drowned Android creates one huge question. How the heck did she get back to present Earth to drown?

I came up with a Plan for that when I initially came up with the fic idea, I would post it, but it would be a Massive Spoiler to both the Xenosaga games and to the fic.
Just trust me on that point. :wink: 8)
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Postby Pale Wolf » Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:48 am

Heh, I'm not saying you need to answer it to me, or anyone else.
Just have an answer - saying it or not remains your prerogative, but if you can't answer it then don't do it.
That said, it seems like it could get rather convoluted.
But sure, I'm willing to sit back and trust. I practically demand it so thoroughly in my own ficcage I'd be quite the hypocrite if I didn't.
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Postby Lenneth » Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:09 am

It could get convoluted, but if I plan the fic Out Properly (which I am doing) it should work just fine.
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This fic is going to mostly be more of a side project anyway to to give me something to do and help me out of the writers block I have with my other fic.
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Postby Lenneth » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:40 am

To get an idea of how I am going to do this fic read this one.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2252215/1/
It is very similar to how I will be writing mine, but don't think you will know exactly how I am doing it from just reading this fic, I'm only using it as a reference/guideline in the layout of mine, mine is a whole other animal. :wink: 8)
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Postby WG_Writer » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:26 am

Spring of drowned Akane wasn't the only insidence of this occuring (a Spring giving exact form)
The Monkey that Herb threw into the girl spring came out identical to girl-ranma (Herb said so).
As to Kos-mos... I think the spring would cause the receiver to be an organic kos-mos, on the Asura example- Statue goes in, biological Asura comes out.
perhaps an organic Kos-Mos that can then 'summon' her *cough* "armor" *cough* and weapons.
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