General Questions mk 2

[Weebee]

Hmm... must be different in the Manga, then, unless I am just being stupid, which is entirely possible.

I only remember it from the anime, in which she starts attacking the ghost cat after he captures her, and he looks like he'd do almost anything to get her to stop.

Of course, the Manga being the preffered source, if that's how it happened there then I conscede defeat.

[Jupiah]

Hmm... must be different in the Manga, then, unless I am just being stupid, which is entirely possible.

That's one of the reasons I stick to the manga. The anime may generally make most of the characters nicer, but it also portrays many of them as a lot stupider, and that got on my nerves pretty quick.

[Weebee]

Note that I said also that 'Since that's the way it happens in teh Manga, I conscede defeat.'

The only reason I commonly use the Anime for reference is that it is difficult for me to read the Manga. It's a miricle I got through it once.

Still, although the Anime does usually portray the characters in a btter light, this ep would seem to make Shampoo an idiot...

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

I would like to point out that the Ghost Cat did refuse to simply break the spell at first, even though Shampoo was all ready to kill herself, and that it was only after she suggested the "free on condition" version that he finally consented.

[Jupiah]

I would like to point out that the Ghost Cat did refuse to simply break the spell at first, even though Shampoo was all ready to kill herself, and that it was only after she suggested the "free on condition" version that he finally consented.

Not in the manga. In the manga she appears to be comepletely in his power, although admittedly she's way to upbeat and cheerful about the whole situation, and doesn't put up very much resistance. There's no evidence of her suggesting the "kiss from Ranma" curse-breaking condition to the ghost cat, and she is never "ready to kill herself" either. I think she was just being a ditz with way too much faith in Ranma.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

I'm talking about in the anime version. There, we see a scene of her beating the tar out of Maomolin, who tells her that it doesn't matter how much she hits him, the spell is cast and can't be broken. Shampoo stops and gets off him, but then goes to slit her throat with a dagger, whereupon Maomolin begs her to stop and she tells him to let her go. When he refuses, she resumes closing the dagger upon her throat, and Maomolin pleads with her, saying he'll do anything else. Shampoo then makes the bargain: if she gets a kiss from Ranma, the cat must let her go. He grumbles about it, but agrees, as Shampoo is dead serious about killing herself otherwise.

[Drawde]

About the "ten years ago" or "man years go" phrases.

Suppose you're doing something, and somebody interrupts you. You're almost done, and just want a little time to finish. Many people would say "just a minute". But, do they mean exactly 60 seconds? No, it's just a phrase that means "I'll be done shortly" or similiar things.

From what I've read elsewhere, though it makes sense, is that "ten years ago" basically means a sometime in the past, though it got translated literally, instead of by the meaning of the whole phrase. I've read in articles on the Japanese language that it has many phrases like that. Which means you often have to read/hear the entire discussion to base it on context.

[Necavit]

You guys ever read the one with Pink and Rink, i think thats their names...

They capture Shampoo, Shampoo beats the crap out of them and than she stages a rescue so Ranma can save her.

I dont think it was her doing (with the Mammolin), but I think she decided to take advantage of her situation. She clearly expects Ranma to come rescue her, than she can get her kiss. She sees little threat in the ghost cat because she can clearly kick his butt if necessary.

Ive got a question, Martial arts wise where do you put Kuno on the totem. Ive seen him move everywhere, just curious about your thoughts.

[Weebee]

Yes, I remember that chapter... it was odd, especially the 'mandrake' bit...

As for Kuno...

Above Akane.

His level VS. Ukyo or Shampoo is unknown, but I'd say close.

Ryoga or Ranma could pound him. Though there is indication that, for some reason, he's holding his true strength back... Either that or he truly HATES watermelons.

[mondu_the_fat]

They capture Shampoo, Shampoo beats the crap out of them and than she stages a rescue so Ranma can save her.

I dont think it was her doing (with the Mammolin), but I think she decided to take advantage of her situation. She clearly expects Ranma to come rescue her, than she can get her kiss. She sees little threat in the ghost cat because she can clearly kick his butt if necessary.

Agreed 100%.

Ryoga or Ranma could pound him. Though there is indication that, for some reason, he's holding his true strength back... Either that or he truly HATES watermelons.

That kind of emotion would cloud judgement. A person would fight more ferociously, but not with more skill.

Then again, Kuno's mind is clouded in the first place. Maybe watermelons defog his brain or something.



Normal Kuno is better than Akane (who _does_ know how to use weapons). This isn't saying much, though, considering that Akane is viewed as the weakest of the martial artists. I'm not so sure about the other characters, but I'd imagine him giving mousse a workout, and shampoo and ukyo as well if they could be disguised as men or find a reason for him to fight them (yes, he was holding back on Akane at the school ground fights).

Kuno fighting without a weapon is moot, since the only reason he'd be without one would be to demonstrate that he can't fight without one.

[Southern Cross]

Actually,it's Kodachi who's the weakest of the Neriman Wrecking Crew,as Akane has been able to fend her off even when tired.
As for that anti-watermelon technique,it acts as a perfect defense,but it seems to be purely reactive,from what I remember of the manga.

[FriendlyEL]

I think Kuno is probably about the same as Akane, maybe a good amount stronger. But I think it's still a short enough difference that Ukyo or Shampoo would still utterly wipe the floor with him.

And yes, Kodachi is clearly weaker than Akane. Poor Kodachi... any of the three other girls could kill her if they wanted to.

[Necavit]

Actually after reading the first Manga again my thoughts on Kunos skill have gone up

Hes shown as quite more leathal, and even Ranma dosnt notice the bruise that Kuno leaves on his neck.

He manages to bash up Ranma ribs too, to the point hes goes to see Dr Tofu.

Akane clearly states that she dosnt quite get how she can beat Kuno, and even states that Ranma and Kuno might be a match for eachother. She knows Ranma outstrips her, so we can assume Kuno's better than Akane.

So Im gonna keep Kuno at near Shampoo level.

As for Kodachi, sure Akane's fended her off, but theyve never duked it out. In a fair fight Akane would probably win, but Kodachi dosnt fight fair.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

I wouldn't use the first manga stories to judge Kuno's. Kuno is roughly Ranma's equal when they first meet. After that, however, Ranma improves rather swiftly, while Kuno doesn't. By the time of post-Amaguriken, at most, Kuno is a joke to Ranma- Akane puts up more of a challenge in her and Ranma's first sparring match, in the first volume/episode, than Kuno can put up from that point on.

Kodachi, on the other hand, may or may not improve. She seems to improve in the anime, as she's able to spar on fairly even terms with Shampoo in the fifth season's Christmas episode.

[Jupiah]

Actually after reading the first Manga again my thoughts on Kunos skill have gone up

Hes shown as quite more leathal, and even Ranma dosnt notice the bruise that Kuno leaves on his neck.

He manages to bash up Ranma ribs too, to the point hes goes to see Dr Tofu.

Akane clearly states that she dosnt quite get how she can beat Kuno, and even states that Ranma and Kuno might be a match for eachother. She knows Ranma outstrips her, so we can assume Kuno's better than Akane.

So Im gonna keep Kuno at near Shampoo level.

I'd say Kuno is above Akane, but not by much. In the martial arts cheeleading arc, Akane disguised herself and dueled Kuno in a Kendo match. Kuno thought Akane was a guy and was angered by the fact that the pig-tailed girl abandoned him to cheer for his opponent, so it's extremely unlikely he held back. Kuno kept her on the defensive, but never managed a hit. This heavily implies that their basic skill is very close. Kuno's only real advantage over Akane is his 'air-pressure' special attack. That attack is very powerful, evidenced by the injuries Ranma sustained by it, but Kuno never manages to injure Ranma with that attack again. This leads me to think that Kuno is a very predictable fighter; he rarely changes his attack patterns or improvises. This would explain why Ranma never has trouble fighting him again (not counting his strange watermelon training, as he seemed to forget it at the end of that story arc). Ranma simply adapted to Kuno's style. So I think Kuno might give Shampoo, Ukyo and Mousse a good fight the first time they battled (but I doubt he would win), but those three would quickly adapt to his style and best him easily in a rematch.