General Questions mk 2

[antimatterenergy]

2. More Akane time.

Explains high school not junior high

How do you figure passing while skipping makes him a genius? I know what your aimming for, the kind of Im too smart so my grades suck. But wouldnt it make more sense that he fits the bill for the majority of people who skip and have low grades? They arnt the sharpest tool in the shack.

Passing at all having missed a lot of school, shows he is very intelligent. Most people who miss a lot of school fail and have to repeat.

Any ways I wasn't arguing that he was a genius so much as you can't determine if he is or not with the information shown. You can't say he's bad in school, average, or genius not enough info. There is no proof that his grades are low either Ranma was happy with the grade posted so it couldn't be that bad. Also if he's a genius at fighting i.e. picks up techniques fast he could pick up school work fast as well a math formula after all is just a technique.

fear of his marks being posted

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[Necavit]

*Shrugs*

Since the Rumiko hasnt stated otherwise, its not really important. So I assume hes just average.

If only him being quick to master techniques could simply transfer to school, I think we can all agree that it dosnt really work this way.

Martial Arts is his life, he has dedciated himself to it, that is why its as simply as breathing to him.

The fact that he passes after missing so much school...

Who says hes passing? Why we would just have to assume that because we havnt seen otherwise.

Theres no proof that he is passing, why he could be failing horribly and thats why his teacher is so concerned for his marks that she has him stay overnight with her. Seems like somthing a teacher does for someone in risk of failing. Have you ever seen a teacher take that much concern in a student who was passing?

Mostly I just wanted to make my point on the having to prove somthing into exsistence. Since arnt really trying to prove he is a genius... well...

[antimatterenergy]

she has him stay overnight with her

That's because he snuck in to her house to steal the fish. She was much moreso trying to get him to take her and school serious than get his grades up. She is generally trying to get her to obey her and give a crap about school. Could also be argued that she isn't happy with his lack luster view on school work and is only trying to live up to the potential she sees in him. i.e. He's getting average grades when she sees he has the potential to get high marks if he just cared about school and took it seriously is another possible reason a teacher would give special attention to a student. Another reason is because he purposely antagonizes her and wants him to obey her.

The fact that he passes after missing so much school...

or is even in that grade.

If only him being quick to master techniques could simply transfer to school, I think we can all agree that it dosnt really work this way.

It does for some people, not everyone but some people. Whether Ranma is one of those people is unknown we aren't given enough info to draw solid conclusions. Also depends on how he does it the same learning process may be applicable to both Martial arts and school work. This is especially true for things that have some relations/ parallels. Things like: Chemistry related to cooking, Physics can be applied to sports. Languages can be viewed as techniques - grammatical rules are techniques. Math is needed for everything if nothing else counting push-ups and formulas are just techniques.

Mostly I just wanted to make my point on the having to prove somthing into exsistence. Since arnt really trying to prove he is a genius... well...

You can't prove he's doing average, below, or above it either. Some things we have enough empirical data to draw conclusions for example, I can safely say Akane is failing home ec there is plenty of evidence supporting this. Other things we lack solid data. What we are shown can be used either way to show he is passing he was happy with his grade, he was able to translate some stuff from English to Japanese in the manga, he should be excelling in gym class, we've seen him learn other things fast, people have commented on his learning speed (Akane for instance said he learns very fast during the Romeo and Juliet Arc), and he has shown knowledge in a variety of fields things like cooking, first aid, and knowledge on Octopi. But there is also evidence that can be used to show he is doing poorly he did miss a lot of school, cuts class, doesn't care about it very much (though he has been shown to care about his grade somewhat and has too much of an ego and cares too much about how others view him - i.e. doesn't want to be viewed as dumbest person in class for me to believe he'd allow himself to have the worst grade in class), purposely antagonizes at least one of his teachers, and goofs off in class (things that some teachers would give him a lower grade even if he is getting every answer right - my school had a rule in which you'd automatically fail if you missed more than 24 days during the year no matter what excuse). Ultimately though we are not given enough information on how well he is or isn't doing at school. Though it can be safely assumed that he is doing better in the manga than the anime since he requires help in the anime and does not in the manga.

[Necavit]

Your reaching.

Dosnt it make more sense that hes good at martial arts because hes trained his whole life.

One last time... you say there isnt enough evidence to prove his intellect weither hes a genius, average or just plain stupid.

Very few will back you up. Because it is never implied that he does well in school. (I dont include Gym, But hey notice how the author clearly shows hes good at that) You can throw all the hes quick to master this, hes quick to master that. If it worked that way, Ranma could just master everything and become a God. It dosnt, he dosnt give a damn about school work.

Ranma brags about every bloody things hes good at, and the author shows it. But the only time we get to see his mark, his ego is pretty eaisly punctured by the taunting of the principal. Ok so there low you say, cause he skips, but he could still be a genius. Thats slippery logic I cant argue, because how do you? I can just return with a, no hes just stupid, these are both opinions.

If Ranma were anything but average the author would have made it clear, like every other thing about Ranma.

If your going to keep reaching with the "well mabye hes some kinda savant, who can pick up everything" than I really cant argue anymore.

You say there is no proof that hes a genius, I say theres quite a bit. I can count the stories on my hand, of him being a genius. Why is that?


Heres what Ill end with. Mabye we can agree. It is far more lilkly that Ranma is average in school, than a genius

[Weebee]

Agreed. The idea that 'it is never said that it's not true so it must be true' is a bad argument for debate, though ocasionally it is instromental in Fanfiction, which is understandable.

While Ranma is a genius in fighting, he's not exactly an idiot savant. He's at least got SOME skill in academics, as he passes his courses, and that IS a bit impresive.

Ultimately, for me, what makes or breaks Ranma's intellegence in school is this. Precisely how frequently does he go to school before the Manga. If, as was speculated by several of you, he was in China for more than a couple years, it's intirely possible, and likely probable, that he didn't get much schooling during this time.

Sure, he could have gotten SOME, but not the amount normally given in North American schools, and definately not the amount given in the, supposedly, tougher Japanese school system.

In this light, the fact that he probably missed HUGE chunks of school, and cared as little about it while he was going as he does in the Manga, shows that he needed an above average amount of intellegence in order to stay baove water.

However...

If you look at it in another way, that the 'a few years ago' remarks were exageration or incorrect statements, (Which is pretty easy when you think the Dragon whisker incident was one of them, and it's made clear in the opening of the sereis that Ranma has NOT had his curse for years,) and regard Ranma's absence from school, especially for the long one in China, as only being a few months, then his status as a 'genius' is revoked, as he could likely keep up his horrid grades easily enough at an only slightly above average performance level.

Another idea...

Just how little attention DOES Ranma pay in class?

I mean, if he almost completely ignores EVERYTHING the teacher says and STILL passes the tests, then he's at least got an idetic memory, which would help him a lot in school, as well as a pretty high intelegence.

If he's at least margionally paying attention however, his likely 'genius' intelegence takes a hit, as then he'd have more likelyhood to pick up what the teacher is saying rather than doing his own thing on tests.

It's funny that the more slack and uncaring Ranma is about school, the more Intellegent he probably is. LOL

PS:Genma probably sent Ranma to school whenever he stopped for a long time in a city so the truency officers wouldn't bother him, simple as that.

Basically, IMHO, it all depends on just how long that trip to China is, and just how little attention he pays in class.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

This is just something that's been gnawing at me since I saw it at another topic. What do you think might have happened if Ranma & Shampoo hadn't kissed during the Ghost Cat's Temple affair? In other words, if Shampoo hadn't managed to kiss Ranma before the 108th bell toll and thus been trapped as a cat forever?

My personal opinion is that, once Cologne found out, she would have given Maomolin some good old-fashion Chinese Amazon style ghostbusting- and that's if the curse can be broken. Especially if it can't, I see her going after Mousse and Akane for revenge, as it is their fault Shampoo's been turned into a cat. After all, if they hadn't interfered, Ranma would have kissed her and the spell would have been broken.

From the anime version, these are the points I can recall off the top of my head where they spoiled Ranma's attempt to save her.
-Despite knowing that it was simply to save Shampoo, Akane slipped Ranma into the catnip-clothes and threw him to the cats
-Mousse intercepted Ranma after he distracted the cats with a fish-covered soccerball, jamming it in his mouth and causing him to flee from the cats
-After Akane distracts the Ghost Cat, Mousse pulls Ranma away and the two fight
-Just before Ranma manages to kiss Shampoo of his own free will, Akane lets her jealousy get to her and stops him

[Weebee]

If I recall correctly, there is no manga version of this story. The ghost cat, like Tsubaza, was a one time appearance. I can't stress enough however that my memory is swiss chease that's been pre-grated, so forgive me if I'm wrong.

I honestly don't know what would have happened. On the one hand, Ranma likes taking responcibility for stuff that's not his fault sometimes, and shuting stuff that is his fault off onto others occasionally. In this case, given Shampoo's curse, I don't know how Ranma would react. He does care about what happens to her, though.

Mousse would blame Ranma completely, although it was partially, if not TOTALLY, shampoo's fault in the first place. She had the cat so terrefied that she COULD have walked out and THEN did that stupid 'kiss of the one you love' thing.

Akane.. aside from a case of 'That's so sad...' or dancing in the streets depending on how you think she is, I doubt she'd be much effected asside from by others' actions.

Cologne is hard to tell. She's usually reasonable enough, but she's never really delt with anything like this in the Manga.

Personally, I think she would either accept what happened and kill the cat, or refuse to listen after finding out SHampoo was locked as a cat from not kissing Ranma, and attack HIM in revenge. That's generally how crap like this goes in the Ranmaverse, anyways.

[Jupiah]

Personally I'm of the opinion that the trip to China lasted 3-5 months. Genma's guidebook to Chinese training grounds looked fairly thick, and I'm sure he would have tried to visit as many as he could. Unless, they were all in the same area, it would take a while to do so when mostly on foot. I always figured the dragon whisker flashback was a typo or was referring to "real world" time (It had been several years to the readers), but when I found a second flashback in the Yotaro arc, I was less sure and decided to ask for other's opinions on the subject.

As for schooling, I always felt Ranma was the type to never turn in homework (or he tries to copy off of Akane) but who does well on tests. Considering his apparant disdain for school, I don't see him studying at home, but with his "make-everything-training" attitude, he probably pays some attention in class if only to pass the time. Also, he would pay enough attention to pass so that other people don't make his life more difficult by mocking him or trying to force him to study. I'll bet the only thing more boring than school to him is make-up classes. So he'd put in just enough effort to pass.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

It does happen in the manga, but I don't remember how the two versions differ. As I recall however, Shampoo did demand that Maomolin release her first and it was after he told her that he couldn't break the curse that she decided to take advantage and use the old "kiss by love one" routine. She seems to enjoy roleplaying when it comes to romance, though that might be because Ranma pays so little attention to her...

Anyway, while I know it's usually Ranma that this s't falls on, Cologne has never blamed Ranma for anything since the Phoenix Pill as I recall, and she's the most reasonable and sane of all the people in the main cast. I say the Ghost Cat gets busted so badly it may be another 3 thousand years before he can materialize again, and that Akane Tendo is in for major punishment. Something like the Ultimate Weakness Moxibustion seems likely to me. Mousse is a dead man, pure and simple. Especially in the manga.

[Weebee]

Hmm... Yes, a few months is my oppinion as well, especially concidering the amount of times the 'many years ago' line has been used in situations where it may not apply.

as for Cologne... I seriously doubt she'd punish Akane. Mousse was doing EXACTLY the same thing, if not worse and Akane WAS trying to help when she could. The only problem was how Ranma had to kiss shampoo, and in all honesty, with a REASONABLE Cologne, do you honestly think she wouldnh't realize that her great granddaughter would do MUCH worse to Akane in the same situation?

Note this Has happened: See pantyhose Taro arc.

[Jupiah]

Mousse would blame Ranma completely, although it was partially, if not TOTALLY, shampoo's fault in the first place. She had the cat so terrefied that she COULD have walked out and THEN did that stupid 'kiss of the one you love' thing.

How was it Shampoo's fault? She tried to leave the shrine, but when she crossed the ropes at the gate she instantly turned into a cat. Because of the ghost cat's curse, she couldn't leave as a human. Akane may have caused some problems by attacking Ranma when he was about to kiss Shampoo, but she also helped by distracting the ghost cat with a cat toy, so she comes out neutral. Personally, I think Mousse and Genma deserve most of the blame for that debacle. Mousse, for obstructing Ranma several times when Ranma was trying to save the girl he supposedly loves, and Genma for teaching Ranma the Nekoken that made it so difficult for him to face Ma Mo Lin in the first place. I'm pretty sure Cologne would recognize those two are at fault and punish them severely. She might try to guilt Ranma into joining the Amazons (couldn't hurt to try) but I don't think she'd press the issue with him if he refused. Considering how he was willing to marry a duck he thought was Akane, Ranma might agree to marry Shampoo and come to China anyway.

[Weebee]

The reason it was partially shampoo's fault.

While I'm not saying the WHOLE MESS was her doing, and she WAS a victim, she made her own rescue more difficult than it had to be.

Moumoulin clearly could ALTER the terms of the curse at will, so why didn't shampoo get him to alter it so that she could leave by doing something simple, or hell, why didn's she just kiss Mousse or someone else to get out? No, she INSISTED that the curse be redefined so that Ranma had to do it, when she KNEW he was terrefied of cats...

I'm sorry... but to at least some extent it's hr fault.

[SpaceKnight of Chaos]

Actually, I recall a point in the anime version where Shampoo sees Ranma fleeing in terror from the cats and asks "Ranma no like kitty?", so it might actually be possible that she doesn't know Ranma's phobic about cats. She might just have thought that his reaction to her was more of the fact it was her as a cat, and not that it was about cats in general. Yes, I know she returned to Japan during the Nekoken storyline, but she might not have understood what Genma and Soun said- we know she doesn't speak Japanese very well, but we don't know how much of it she understands, especially at that relatively early point in the series.

The deal was "kiss of person she loved", and she doesn't love Mousse. She's outright told him, to his face, that she hates him, and she never gives him any sign that she loves him. So kissing him wouldn't have worked, even if she had consented. Besides, who knows how much worse he would have gotten in his behavior if she'd allowed him to get away with that much?

Also, in the anime version, Shampoo tells Akane "no can change spell now- deal is official", meaning that now the curse has been "set", she's stuck with it.

[Weebee]

Um... by this point she's seen Ranma go neko at least once, so it's doubtfull she doesn't know unless she's completely brainless... which I doubt.

Also, the curse may be 'set' now, but she is the one who 'set' it for this particular setting, so regardless of the fact that it now can't be changed she was still the one to initially change it.

Of course, I think my anti-shampoo bias is showing through by this point, so feel free to tell me to shut up if you wish.

[Jupiah]

Hmmm... I just reread the entire arc, and I see no evidence that Shampoo forced the ghost cat to 'set' the condition of breaking the curse to be a kiss from Ranma, or that she had the ghost cat terrified. The ghost cat did try to deny that a kiss from Ranma would free Shampoo at first, but I think he was lying so that Ranma wouldn't try it, rather then being forced to change it to that by Shampoo. And she did kick him around a bit, but he didn't seem very discouraged by that. I'll admit she really should have taken the whole situation a LOT more seriously. She is either a complete ditz or she has way to much faith in Ranma. But I don't see how the situation was at all her fault. You make it sound like it was all a plot of hers from the very beginning.