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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Crescent Pulsar S » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:10 pm

If I had to guess, Noy may be referring to characters acting as the author's mouthpiece. Or, at the very least making the suggestion when they had never done so in canon and the circumstances still aren't right for it in the story.
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Noy Telinú » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:35 pm

I'm saying that they say that implying...

1) Ranma sucks at everything else (false)

2) all he does is martial arts (false)

3) that he is uncivilized. (false)

4) that they would say that to begin with. (false)

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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby PCHeintz72 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:14 am

I have one...

Reincarnation in regards to Soul Mates

It is not technically an anime/manga fan fiction thing, but something I see more often in it than other media... primarily for Sailor Moon and Ranma crossovers, but really, any fan fiction story that has it would apply.

Normally once Soul Mates are brought up it goes hand in hand with reincarnation, but not always (I know a decent R-NGE multi-cross with Ranma and Rei that deals with Soul mates but not reincarnation, ditto a Ranma one done by Innortal).

I interpret each life as their own, and what makes a character as the personality built during life, not the soul.

I have no issue with a current incarnation getting access to the memories of the prior life. Likewise learned skills and techniques. Even knowledge of past relationships.

It is when they take over that bothers me. Likewise the idea of soul mates...

If attitudes change, outlooks change, life decisions are made based on that past life, and perhaps even attempting to have the current incarnations restart relationships from that past life, overriding ones they currently have, then I call that character death and even enforced enslavement at the level of the soul.

That to me is *not* Love... it is *not* Romantic. it is more an atrocity.
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby TerraEpon » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:55 am

Well the SM anime implied that Usagi and Mamoru actually were reborn at least once inter medium and were together. So there's some canonical basis for the concept in SM fics.
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby PCHeintz72 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:44 am

TerraEpon wrote:Well the SM anime implied that Usagi and Mamoru actually were reborn at least once inter medium and were together. So there's some canonical basis for the concept in SM fics.

I did not mean to imply that there is no basis for it in SM fanfiction. I meant to imply as a concept I do not care for it...

Most look at it as destined to be together, or fulfilling a destiny, or romantic that loves remeet and replay/reform their former relationship... I do not. As stated, I genrally view this as an abomination, as enslavement of the current incarnation and the like...

As for Mamoru and Usagi... it was not really implied in anime... it was basically blatently obvious in anime that they reunited and the soul mate syndrome force reformed their relationship... to the point that at first when ever she was in trouble... the former incarnation would take over to save her... then revert back after... leaving him lost and confused as to what was going on, giving him cryptic dreams...
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Spica75 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:41 am

Spokavriel wrote: I'm talking around our third presidency when England started attacking again even after they lost the colonies in the American revolution.

I know...

But you seem to have missed the fact that USA was the side declaring war in 1812. Which in turn was to a large extent a sideeffect of the Napoleon wars, where USA was a major trading partner of Napoleonic France. British and USA both created embargoes in 1807, Brits to prevent USA/French trade, USA as a response to having it´s trade caught in the middle of war.
The British also supported american natives in the hopes of having them as a shield against US expansionism into Canada.

It was just a pun based on how you wrote "after they had been attacking us", as there was no doubt that USA declared war.
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Té Rowan » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:23 am

three headed dog wrote:... manga cannon ...

Always wondered what kind of round ya load a piece like that with.

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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Noy Telinú » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:16 pm

PCHeintz72 wrote:I have one...

Reincarnation in regards to Soul Mates

It is not technically an anime/manga fan fiction thing, but something I see more often in it than other media... primarily for Sailor Moon and Ranma crossovers, but really, any fan fiction story that has it would apply.

Normally once Soul Mates are brought up it goes hand in hand with reincarnation, but not always (I know a decent R-NGE multi-cross with Ranma and Rei that deals with Soul mates but not reincarnation, ditto a Ranma one done by Innortal).

I interpret each life as their own, and what makes a character as the personality built during life, not the soul.

I have no issue with a current incarnation getting access to the memories of the prior life. Likewise learned skills and techniques. Even knowledge of past relationships.

It is when they take over that bothers me. Likewise the idea of soul mates...

If attitudes change, outlooks change, life decisions are made based on that past life, and perhaps even attempting to have the current incarnations restart relationships from that past life, overriding ones they currently have, then I call that character death and even enforced enslavement at the level of the soul.

That to me is *not* Love... it is *not* Romantic. it is more an atrocity.


As I said before, I agree VERY much. Reincarnation romance is stupid and its the ONLY reason why Usagi and tux boy can even stand each other! It's like you don't control your life anymore and is just a continuation of someone else's.

What really bugs me though are Ranma/Inuyasha crossovers that do this since Inuyasha deconstructed that concept to death, showing how they are not the same person at all! But NoOoooOoo... Ranma ends up somehow gaining memories and personality and crack from Inuyasha and becomes him in practically every way and is freaking happy! F That!
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Gnudist » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:20 pm

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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Noy Telinú » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:05 pm

I don't really care for "oh this is a non serious story but will have rape in it, including mind and physical but it's not a serious story."

-_-

Seriously? Why do that?
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Konsaki » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:23 pm

I remember a time when I read a fanfic and it...

*START FLASHBACK*

"The hell is with this author?! Doesn't he know how jarring those interrupters are!?"

*END FLASHBACK*

...Yeah. That. I really dislike that.
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby CRBWildcat » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:10 pm

Flashbacks have their role to fulfill. It's when they're placed without enough warning, or when they ramble on, that they start to irk me.
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Spokavriel » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:16 pm

What about when someone already in a flashback, not even the one flashing back earlier has a flash back? Who's mind is it in anyway?
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby ijp92 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:31 pm

God-mode sues.
it can be done well, but it usually isn't.

unbalanced crossovers (or less likely unrealistically balanced ones)

characters having problems with things that no one did in canon. especially when they are crossover characters being hypocritical about it.

bringing up the character stuff you guys were always talking about earlier:
Kasumi: I've always interpreted Kasumi as just being very Japanese polite, though that might be a mistake on my part. I mean I remember a story where someone was trying to buy tickets at a Japanese travel agent. Instead of giving him the tickets the agent kept on suggesting other times or ways of travel. Finally, the person realized the agent was trying to avoid telling him that the tickets he wanted weren't available.
Nodoka: I've always interpreted it as Nodoka didn't want to have to force Genma or Ranma into Seppuku but she would if she really thought they failed to keep the promise. And when she stopped receiving postcards from Genma and the boys were avoiding her she feared the worse and started looking for any masculine traits so she wouldn't have to go through with it. ...yeah its a lot of self filled in but it makes sense in my head.

Which reminds me of some more stuff I don't like.

Nodoka being a skilled swordsman.

People forgetting the joke about Nodoka completely not giving two shits about Genma (I liked that one).

Ranma knowing/learning his opponents techniques. Especially when the he doesn't need them. He has plenty of techniques nobody uses already and its pretty easy to come up with more I think. hmmm Ozzallos said it best "Ranma executes a technique that carves a perfect circle through about an inch an a half plasteel security door. At first I had written this scene in with breaking point, but decided it was not only cliche, but entirely unnecessary as Ranma has a number of his own breach techniques. This particular example can be found in book 31 Part 5 - "Both Akane and Alkari" where Ranma literally cuts through half a meter of solid concrete, opening a perfect two meter circle into the next room... And incidentally atop Ryoga's head, knocking him out cold and giving us an approximate density of said material."
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Re: Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

Postby Noy Telinú » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:16 am

I see Kasumi as a nice polite 19 year old who is a wee bit to optimistic and keeps things to herself. She will only do cruel things if its funny. So maybe she can see the 4th wall...

Nodoka doesn't WANT to make them do it, but if she feels she HAS to then she will because she is all about honor before reason, or her own happiness.

Yeah, while unbalancing crossovers can be annoying, nerfing characters in them is worse.

To counter that in my Ranma/x men evolution crossover, I am going to have Ranma just not care in the circumstances or be in a useless position to help.

Fukufics are very varied in trying to make the balance.

What I did is to have only magic be able to dust them, but physical attacks hurt too. I hope that works...
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