The Return ch15

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Postby Sunshine Temple » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:21 pm

[Oh my. This is a very detailed analysis.
So, to sum up, right now AFAIK we have:
WIC (cast of thousands, man-portable medium-ranged anti-tank tech demonstrated, teleport jamming, choppers and planes, sensors, years of training to recruit but unlimited in number)
[Missed a referance or too to some of the more long rangeweaponry. See around te blackSky apperance.
[But all in all correct.
Main Senshi (Silver, 4 in Japan, 5 in Canada, anti-infantry short-ranged weapons demonstrated, some healing, teleport-capable, difficult and limited if any recruitment [Ranma], Time Gate viewing [limited], resurrection)
[Range can be increased with certian members. Grab bag of powers.
Mercury's Senshi (Silver, 3 in Canada, anti-infantry melee weapons demonstrated, sensors, recruitment unknown but present and apparently relatively quick, probably limited)
[Should include sensors too. As Merc was a main sensor person for the Senshi. (Rei was another)
Brood Senshi (D Silver, 6 [plus, perhaps, 1 or 2 humans], Ranma demonstrated short-ranged anti-APC capable magic, all demonstrated short-ranged anti-infantry magic, regeneration, sensors better than WIC, flight, very fast [days] recruitment to D, weeks to D Silver, unlimited in number)
[Yah they stack up interestingly.
[And you noted that the Brood Senshi do have less power than the Main Senshi, but there's been plenty of analogies about power vs. lethalty.
Assembly of Man (A, possible cast of hundreds, medium-range anti-infantry weapons demonstrated, regeneration, may or may not be able to jam teleports, practical recruitment)
[good good.
Vampires (V, unknown, may or may not be independent/pawns)
Youma (Y, unknown, but were clearly organized in the school attack)
Murdock's backers/employers (Unknown, last seen chapters ago when he was talking about really going to the backup plan)
Gosunkugi and other groups
BlackSky's brood (Demon, cast of thousands, likely won't interfere but would welcome Brood Senshi if they wanted to go to the Succubus Plane)
[Indeed.
[Forgot Path of the Will.
[And some organizations hinted at in the Company History. But good.
[Like the work done ehre.
P.S. Did Ranma ever deliberately work on, and have her brood work on, disguising and hiding her pattern?
[A bit. That is a difficult but very handy skill. And is something inate in the Silver transformation.
P.P.S. Has Ranma been willing to work with WIC on determining precise rates of regeneration, more effective magic shielding (see: protecting Ukyo) techniques, etc. by trying different things while getting shot repeatedly, and with more and more advanced ammunition/magic/weapons (uprated Bakusai Tenketsu training)?
[Nodoka would be very curious, and Ranma has no real reason to say no.
[Good idea.
So, based on what I remember actually seeing, noting that "kill" indicates on the fly in free-form combat, not more creative and/or planned alternates:
WIC can't teleport, can't regenerate, can't resurrect, and takes years to recruit. Allied with Brood Senshi. Wants good relations with all Silvers.
[Yup, and you can see how Brood and WIC compliment each other
The Main Senshi lack training, may lack sensors, can't fly. They may lack medium (300m to 10km) and long range attacks. Can't regenerate. They may or may not be able to kill APC's. They may or may not really be able to recruit a limited number. May or may not have time limits based on secret identity. No allies [Note: Pluto doesn't seem to want any].
[Heh, yeah they're murky.
The Brood Senshi may lack medium and long range attacks, lack teleport, can't jam teleport, can't resurrect, and may or may not be able to kill tanks. Allied with WIC.
[And they have a great potential to grow.
The Mercury Senshi may lack any ranged attacks, probably can't to kill APC's, lack teleport, can't jam teleport, can't fly, can't regenerate, can't resurrect. May or may not have time limits based on secret identity. Wants good relations with Brood Senshi. Relationship with Main Senshi unclear.
[Heh, unclear ;p
What each group needs to work on is reasonably obvious from the weaknesses above.
I'd note that the Brood Senshi, based on species, should absolutely be able to teleport on Earth as well as interdimensionally [BlackSky]. The material differences of being Silver is unquantified as of yet, beyond a likely power increase [Ranma started with D-Silver being a rating 3 increase from D, and later D increased to be identical to D-Silver].
[Indeed, it's just a learning and growth thing.
I'd also note that Usagi, breakdowns aside, has demonstrated a far higher degree of maturity than is normal for fannon. Brilliant, no, but solid, indicating that all four of the teams we'd like to root for have, at minimum, reasonable leadership potential.
[Yes, been avoiding fannon on that with her.
We haven't seen any evidence that teleports can be traced at all, to my knowledge, to date.
[Indeed.
Amusing question: Does Usagi realize that if the crescent moon symbol continues to be tarnished by terrorists, she could change the symbol to something else?
[As DGC says. It's kind of stuck on her forehead.
[Thanks for the long comments. Nice to see you have a handle on events. ^_^
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Postby Nadrek » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:25 pm

Regarding the crescent moon on her forehead: A larger crown or tiara, or a bandanna (metallic, perhaps) would solve it. Perhaps a skin graft? Bone replacement with a metal plate? Or, horror of horrors, actually learning magic instead of using predefined spells that may or may not actually be based on a widget/item (I speak the command word, and the magic item takes over my body to provide poses while it does its work)?
Regarding the M270 battery, that was stated in the BlackSky episode, but I didn't actually see it, much less see it demonstrated or defined to know if it was set up for standard MLRS, or was using ATACMS... or was a WIC designation like HOG that happens to be the same as a US weapons system. It's heavily hinted to be an artillery system, but I don't have enough evidence to rate it yet, just like I don't know if the early DarkStar Burst tests were against 4 inches of Chobham, 4 inches of RHA, or 4 inches of some other type of armor, nor do I have maximum ranges on attacks yet - they haven't shown them to the readers.
Thank you, again, for a well done, well detailed fic!
And I did list sensors for the Mercury Senshi, they're - on my screen - the far left word on I think the 2nd or 3rd line of their initial description, and that's why I did not list sensors under Main Senshi anymore.
Future taunts: "Was that supposed to hurt? Hell, regular .50 cal hurts more than that."
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:28 pm

Nadrek wrote:Regarding the crescent moon on her forehead: A larger crown or tiara, or a bandanna (metallic, perhaps) would solve it. Perhaps a skin graft? Bone replacement with a metal plate? Or, horror of horrors, actually learning magic instead of using predefined spells that may or may not actually be based on a widget/item (I speak the command word, and the magic item takes over my body to provide poses while it does its work)?

Yeah, the Senshi do have a poor understanding of actual spell casting.
Another thing that the Brood Senshi are learning to outpace them
Regarding the M270 battery, that was stated in the BlackSky episode, but I didn't actually see it, much less see it demonstrated or defined to know if it was set up for standard MLRS, or was using ATACMS... or was a WIC designation like HOG that happens to be the same as a US weapons system. It's heavily hinted to be an artillery system, but I don't have enough evidence to rate it yet, just like I don't know if the early DarkStar Burst tests were against 4 inches of Chobham, 4 inches of RHA, or 4 inches of some other type of armor, nor do I have maximum ranges on attacks yet - they haven't shown them to the readers.

Fair enough. It is the same designation as the US system for this weapon.
Yah, have been keeping max ranges in my back pocket too, Heh
Thank you, again, for a well done, well detailed fic!

Thank you for giving such detailed comentary.
And I did list sensors for the Mercury Senshi, they're - on my screen - the far left word on I think the 2nd or 3rd line of their initial description, and that's why I did not list sensors under Main Senshi anymore.

Ah yes, my mistake.
Future taunts: "Was that supposed to hurt? Hell, regular .50 cal hurts more than that."

Heh.
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Postby Nadrek » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:30 pm

You're quite welcome.
So, when are we going to finally find out if the prophecy referring to the queen coming back in an unnatural form referred to Usagi or Ranma (or a third party, or no-one)?
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:28 am

Nadrek wrote:You're quite welcome.
So, when are we going to finally find out if the prophecy referring to the queen coming back in an unnatural form referred to Usagi or Ranma (or a third party, or no-one)?

Heh, we'll have to wait and see on that one.
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Postby Nadrek » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:12 am

Another note: In Chapter 15 (returning to the actual narrow topic), it's noted that the mighty Ranma Saotome carries a purse full of makeup, snacks, and pictures of her daughters.
Why is Ranma carrying makeup when she, as I recall, was weaning Misako off of her tackle box of makeup by teaching her to do it magically?
The following came from the fanfiction.net copy:
"Despite, ensuring the next generation" - extra comma at the beginning?
"Kasumi lead Ranma" - led
compressed and freeze - compress
had been thorough on armaments - hadn't?
from only a vision behind everything - is behind
at lest - least
carried and offer - an
And at the comment in the Main Senshi's apartment...
<singing in the shower> "Secret Aaaaaagent demon... ate secret aaaaagent man... cleaned her teeth with a can of SPAM! Secret Aaaaaagent demon..."
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:30 am

Nadrek wrote:Another note: In Chapter 15 (returning to the actual narrow topic), it's noted that the mighty Ranma Saotome carries a purse full of makeup, snacks, and pictures of her daughters.
Why is Ranma carrying makeup when she, as I recall, was weaning Misako off of her tackle box of makeup by teaching her to do it magically?

Didn't mean that it was full of makeup. And Ranma had weened Misako from the tackle box, but Ranma also learned to use some
Try this for a revision:
The mighty Ranma Saotome carried a purse full of, snacks, pictures of her daughters, and even a bit of makeup (Misako had rubbed off on her the tiniest bit) and it was all natural to her.
The following came from the fanfiction.net copy:

That's not the best copy. Ff.net is a bitch to update.
But your corrections were still pertinant.
had been thorough on armaments - hadn't?

Nope meant had.
Rest of the comments are good and in my master copy.
And at the comment in the Main Senshi's apartment...
<singing in the shower> "Secret Aaaaaagent demon... ate secret aaaaagent man... cleaned her teeth with a can of SPAM! Secret Aaaaaagent demon..."

Heh
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Postby Nadrek » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:45 pm

Sunshine wrote:Try this for a revision:
The mighty Ranma Saotome carried a purse full of, snacks, pictures of her daughters, and even a bit of makeup (Misako had rubbed off on her the tiniest bit) and it was all natural to her.
Re: "had been thorough on armaments - hadn't?"
Nope meant had.

Regarding the purse, why a comma after "full of"?
For armaments, Misako sounded puzzled - and I interpreted the response after as responding to that puzzlement - about what thermobaric weapons were.
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:00 pm

Nadrek wrote:Regarding the purse, why a comma after "full of"?

typo thanks for finding it
For armaments, Misako sounded puzzled - and I interpreted the response after as responding to that puzzlement - about what thermobaric weapons were.

This should clear it up more
"A thermobaric, really?" Misako asked. Her training at the Assembly had been thorough on armaments.
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Postby khim » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:10 pm

Nadrek wrote:Future taunts: "Was that supposed to hurt? Hell, regular .50 cal hurts more than that."
LOL. May be you can use the results of this test in your story... I-disk bulletproof flash drive does not like .500 - that's for sure...
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Postby Sunshine Temple » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:44 pm

khim wrote:LOL. May be you can use the results of this test in your story... I-disk bulletproof flash drive does not like .500 - that's for sure...

Heh pretty funny.
Though WIC would want some form of ruggedization on memory devices like that.
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