Things you really don't care for in fan-fiction

[Konsaki]

Kasumi did get flanderdized into being a quiet Yamato Nadeshiko later on in both Canons. She started out snarky and observant but Takahashi drifted away from that because she just wasn't that major of a character to keep track of.

[Noy Telinú]

True, but she's not stupid.

Heck, she realized that Nabiki was just playing with Ranma when the engagement was switched.

[three headed dog]

Yet, the difference is that in canon, Akane being engaged, then insulted by Ranma was what got her mad. And early she was still mostly civil to him.

That is not how I recall it. She was mad without input from Ranma - her sisters trying to push the engagement on her was what made her mad in that instance unless your talking about earlier when she was mad about an unknown guy being in the bath tub before she knew who he was. She was in fact insulting him which is what caused Ranma to make the comment about him having a better body. You know calling him a pervert and him being a couple by himself etc. That is something that bothers me as well fics that have Ranma constantly insult Akane without her doing so to him. In the manga Akane insults Ranma quite a bit it most commonly is what prompts Ranma to insult her.

[Noy Telinú]

Actions speak louder than words.

And yes, she does insult him. And jump to conclusions.

Let's see. They meet as girls, get along nicely, Akane says glad she's a girl, meet in bathroom naked. Says theres a pervert in the bath. Get explained the curse, the saotomes fight, Akane gets engaged, Akane says something, Ranma says she walked in on him, Akane says it's different, Ranma says it doesn't matter due to seeing self and is better built, table smash.

But yeah, mostly civil. She doesn't get red faced angry until after the hair cut. Yes, angry, but not scary angry.

[TerraEpon]

Anyway, what also bugs me is that nearly every fic that is AU, Ranma STILL ends up engaged to Akane.

Because Ranma and Akane are soulmates, everyone knows THAT.

[Konsaki]

Because Ranma and Akane are soulmates, everyone knows THAT.

*Looks to my right at the napalm mix and matches*
Yep, I'm ready.

[Crescent Pulsar S]

Doesn't the red string of fate dispel the soulmate theory in the anime canon, though?

As for another thing I don't care for... When Nodoka thinks the curse itself is worthy of seppuku, or is otherwise unmanly and/or offensive within that context. Also, when Nodoka's violent/homicidal tendencies toward perverts is replaced with something opposite of that, such as thinking of Happosai as a role model and/or regarding perverted acts as being expected of manly men.

[Noy Telinú]

That's iffy for a reason.

While Nodoka DOES try to defend Akane and girls from a pervert, she DOES encourage Ranma to peep on Akane. That confuses some people.

I'll put it as, Nodoka wanting Ranma to show intrest in Akane and girls in general, you know, being a straight male. But, she doesn't encourage thievery or molestation.

And we see how the curse isn't enough to be considered unmanly, BUT, she still holds Ranma to it. So... Yeah, she's confusing to some.

That and scantrons by fans before the manga came out in English. I blame that.

Would she feel that way if Ranma showed Nodoka right away? Or something? That's hard to figure out...

Anyway, what bugs ke are the fics that say that Shampoo, Ukyo, Ranma,Nabiki or whoever actually doing the mean things they did for the good of blank.

Like Akane smashing Ranma was so that he'll get tougher, Ranma messing with Akane so that she would get better, Nabiki doing the things she does for her family, or Shampoo trying to drug Ranma because she knows Akane is an evil devil in disguise or something.

What? Why? People aren't perfect!

[Crescent Pulsar S]

That's iffy for a reason.

While Nodoka DOES try to defend Akane and girls from a pervert, she DOES encourage Ranma to peep on Akane. That confuses some people.

I'll put it as, Nodoka wanting Ranma to show intrest in Akane and girls in general, you know, being a straight male. But, she doesn't encourage thievery or molestation.

It really shouldn't confuse people. It was just that one time, circumstantial; she wasn't encouraging any future acts of being a peeping tom/pervert. She had just witnessed her son crossdressing, which she considers to be both perverted and unmanly, and she had to be convinced that it was a misunderstanding. Nabiki had suggested peeping, said that Ranma had done it before, and Nodoka was of the mind that it was manly to want to see naked girls. (Because, as you might have suggested, she probably associates heterosexuality with manliness and crossdressing puts that into question for her.) She just needed to see his interest in girls for herself to be convinced.

The other thing to keep in mind, is that she really doesn't want to see her son as a pervert. Before she knew that the pervert that she had caught had been her son, with such crimes as stealing Ranko's clothes, crossdressing in them, committing outrageous acts in Akane's room, and molesting her once again, she had been prepared to exterminate him with her sword. When she found out it was her son, she did a one-eighty and was glad that he wasn't a pervert, thinking that his behavior was excusable because guys do funny things when they're in love.

And we see how the curse isn't enough to be considered unmanly, BUT, she still holds Ranma to it. So... Yeah, she's confusing to some.

Consider this for a second: what's the point in raising someone so they live up to a certain standard when it isn't expected to be held up as soon as it can be judged? Like, if you do a good job at work during your first week of employment, can you slack off and do a terrible job thereafter and expect that one good example to ensure that you will still have that job in the future? Or if you train a pet so it doesn't go to the bathroom in the house, and said pet forgets its training, would you just accept it rather than discourage and/or correct it?

I know that characters in Ranma 1/2 are silly and have a hard time being sensible and logical, but I can't imagine Nodoka ever saying, "well, now that I've deemed you to be manly, you're now free to do any unmanly thing that you wish to do for the rest of your life, because there was never any deep meaning behind having you prove your manliness only once, what with having no desire to have a son that I could be proud of."

[Noy Telinú]

Yes, I understand that, but it seems rather... Excessive.

But it could just be values dissonance and all.

Chopping heads off...

I don't really care for Ryoga evil things post manga. Not only is it false, but annoying as well.

[Drawde]

As I understand it, Japan doesn't have a western view of "perversion". Engaged couples were expected to have sex, as long as it doesn't LOOK like they are. I've heard (could be wrong) that getting "caught" was basically the couple saying "it's time to get married". Even when everyone in the one-room house knew what was going on.

Also note that none of the characters, including Ranma and Genma, ever argued with Nodoka about the pact. Despite Ranma running from Nodoka when she thought someone that might be Ranma was crossdressing, they all still accept that Nodoka has the right to judge the pact. Honor may not be quite as accepted as it used to be, but it's still accepted. Remember that these are families that still find arranged marriages acceptable.

[Noy Telinú]

Yet anime girls hit guys who are "perverts" All the time...

?_?

So... If they're engaged it's not perverted? I'm confused.

[Crescent Pulsar S]

It's simply a different culture. (And why expect anime to completely live up to the real world, anyway?) Being bare-breasted in public may be seen as wrong in one culture, while accepted as normal in another. That's just how it goes. Even plenty of Western and/or modern countries are more accepting of public nudity than the United States, for instance. In Japan's case, just look at public bath houses.

Yes, I understand that, but it seems rather... Excessive.

But it could just be values dissonance and all.

Chopping heads off...

I don't really care for Ryoga evil things post manga. Not only is it false, but annoying as well.

Well, one major aspect of humor is exaggeration, and the more nonsensical the humor the greater the excesses could potentially be as a result of it. And it (seppuku and honor) might seem particularly excessive from a Westerner's point of view because the culture that they and those before them came from are different.

As for Ryoga, committing evil/malicious acts isn't beyond him (like many Ranma 1/2 characters), but fan-fiction authors do tend to take it too far with little or no basis for it, or even as if it's always been that way. It happens with other characters too, which I also dislike.

[Noy Telinú]

Yeah, that's what I said, values dissonance. Although tv tropes aren't sure if it was deliberate or not.

And whole the cast are all jerks to one degree or another, I'd doubt that Ryoga would rape Ranma or Akane very, very much. That's not even mentioning the less morality part of nosebleeds.

And what's with these fics (mostly AA and BEA) that have Akane literally give herself to Ranma? I could accept it more if she wasn't the only one and that they tried to give a freaking good reason for it. But no, they just make Akane a slave or a robot or a doll or a doggirl pet for no real reason in story.

What bugs me isn't the premise per say, as I expect lemony things of no real reason from them, but the sheer amount of them having Akane do it then expanding so that every girl is in Ranma's harem.

Once is new, twice can work, but when there are thread after thread after thread of it, I just groan. Especially since the reverse NEVER happens.

[Konsaki]

Especially since the reverse NEVER happens.

So you want Ranma to give himself to Akane, and then Akane to acquire Ryoga, Mousse, Ryu, Taro, Tatewaki and Konsatsu?