Interesting thing in the news that reminds me of Ranma fics

[slickrcbd]

In today's newspaper, I saw something interesting.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2015 ... 151019750/

The article reminds me of several fics where Ranma changes schools (typically to Juuban) and they are making accommodations for the locker rooms due to his curse. Sometimes the author wants to increase the angst and have them discover the curse and assign Ranma to the girl's locker room where the female students are NOT happy about it. Other times he's given a special changing area because the boys would splash him with cold water while undressed and then grope him.

I just thought that people in the Ranma fandom might find it interesting as it deals with the kind of issues Ranma would have to deal with.

(I am male, heterosexual, and identify myself as male).

[Spica75]

"Quite frankly, kids are really tolerant. Kids are amazing. This is not a kid issue. This is an adult issue,"

Probably quite a bit of truth in that.

[Ellen Kuhfeld]

When I was in high school, it wasn't completely safe in a locker room filled with students that were all the same sex. Throwing a transsexual into either standard locker room would be dangerous -- they'd be considered either a spy, or a traitor.

[slickrcbd]

When I was in high school, it wasn't completely safe in a locker room filled with students that were all the same sex. Throwing a transsexual into either standard locker room would be dangerous -- they'd be considered either a spy, or a traitor.

I imagine the boys would harass the transsexual as a "sissy", "fairy", and other insults. The girls would see a penis and lack of breasts and see "him" as a sexual deviant looking for a free show and making up an excuse.
Obviously I have a greater grasp of the male mind than the female mind (which has eluded me my entire life) so I could be wrong about the girls, but I CAN see problems with girls who are unfamiliar with the student, and also the article doesn't say what the transsexual's orientation is regards to whether [s]he is attracted to girls or boys. Should [s]he identify as a lesbian like the Bruce/Kaitlyn Jenner and sport an erection in response to scantly clad women, I can see them just thinking he's a pervert looking for an excuse to peep.

[Ellen Kuhfeld]

Transsexuals do go both ways. I've run into some handsome and convincing FTMs, for instance. But they'd fare no better than an MTF in the men's locker room. Depending, they might survive the girls'.

[Spica75]

Obviously I have a greater grasp of the male mind than the female mind (which has eluded me my entire life)

Oh that´s easy. Just never try to predict or expect anything from anyone based on gender.
Because that is futile.

I´ve generally found that difference between individuals is greater than difference between genders. And the most common differences, tend to change with where in the world you are, ie cultural.

When I was in high school, it wasn't completely safe in a locker room filled with students that were all the same sex.

That, sounds less than great...

[slickrcbd]

Transsexuals do go both ways. I've run into some handsome and convincing FTMs, for instance. But they'd fare no better than an MTF in the men's locker room. Depending, they might survive the girls'.

I'm not sure I'd have minded a female that identified as male undressing in the boy's locker room in high school. I'd probably have been unable to resist checking out her "private parts", especially if it was the first opportunity to see a naked girl that wasn't an infant.
I wouldn't do much more than look, but I'd be looking at her as a girl, and looking at her like she was a stripper.
Maybe I'd get used to it, maybe not, but back in those days I didn't even have dial-up internet nor did I have a way to get my hands on a copy of Playboy. Later I manged to get my mother to give me permission to access the internet at the library in their "online room" which had private cubical, and I did occasionally look at porn, but that wasn't until I was an upperclassman.

In short, I probably wouldn't have minded, but I'd probably have a ogled the transgendered girl.

I know I'm making myself sound like a pervert, but I was a horny teenage boy who was very curious about the anatomy of the opposite sex. I still like looking at girls, although my preferred age rage is now 20's (though in theory I should be looking at women in their 30's).

[Spica75]

I know I'm making myself sound like a pervert, but I was a horny teenage boy who was very curious about the anatomy of the opposite sex. I still like looking at girls, although my preferred age rage is now 20's (though in theory I should be looking at women in their 30's).

The age range you automatically look at seems to generally lag behind your actual age so nothing surprising there.

Maybe I'd get used to it

You would, but how long it would take is anyones guess. Or how annoying it is in the meantime for the FTM(who may care a lot or not at all or anything in between).

I have a 8 year older cousin who is completely not bothered at all, and i can guarantee that walking in on her in the shower the first time was more than a little surprise, but now i probably wouldn´t "bat an eyelash" if it happened.
While her sister, my age, is totally opposite, anyone ever walking in on HER would get something thrown in the face, probably hard. Of course, SHE never does something like not bothering to close the door while changing or in the shower etc...

[Ellen Kuhfeld]

Of course, SHE never does something like not bothering to close the door while changing or in the shower etc...

Ah yes, another interesting thing reminiscent of Ranma fics ....

[slickrcbd]

You would, but how long it would take is anyones guess. Or how annoying it is in the meantime for the FTM(who may care a lot or not at all or anything in between).

Well, today it would take less time, but I've had 18 years of unlimited porn access, err internet access to satisfy my curiosity about the opposite sex. I didn't get unlimited dial-up until after I graduated from high school, and it would be another five years before I got broadband. So if it had been in say my freshman year, it would have been my first and only opportunity to see somebody of the opposite sex undressed.

That might have influenced how long it took to get used to it, if it was the only chance I'd have to see a naked girl while having the hormones of a teenager.

[Spica75]

That might have influenced how long it took to get used to it

It almost certainly would, because it would have been a "real person" that you could get to know or at least get used to.

[slickrcbd]

That depended on a whole lot.
Was [s]he in any of my classes? There were A LOT of gym classes of different years meeting at the same time. There were people I did not know sharing a locker room. Due in part to homophobia, as there was a lot of anti-gay sentiment among the boys in the '90s, and being labeled gay was both a serious insult and grounds for ostracization and harassment. People would deliberately spread rumors about somebody being gay, and then say all attempts to deny it just means the person is "in denial".
As such, the locker room was not a place to reach out and get to know somebody.
If on the other hand you had the same gym teacher at the same time you might be able to socialize a little. If we didn't have any shared classes or a lunch, odds were I wouldn't be able to get to know him/her (unsure on pronouns here).

There was a girl I was acquainted with in 8th grade and had a mild crush on, that I would have liked to have been a bit more than friends with, but we never had any classes together, and I can count the number of times I met her in all four years on the fingers of one hand. I never had the courage to call her and ask, especially as it became year(s) since we spoke. I'm using it as an example of how I wouldn't necessarily be able to get to know the person on question.

[Spica75]

That depended on a whole lot.
Was [s]he in any of my classes? There were A LOT of gym classes of different years meeting at the same time. There were people I did not know sharing a locker room. Due in part to homophobia, as there was a lot of anti-gay sentiment among the boys in the '90s, and being labeled gay was both a serious insult and grounds for ostracization and harassment. People would deliberately spread rumors about somebody being gay, and then say all attempts to deny it just means the person is "in denial".
As such, the locker room was not a place to reach out and get to know somebody.
If on the other hand you had the same gym teacher at the same time you might be able to socialize a little. If we didn't have any shared classes or a lunch, odds were I wouldn't be able to get to know him/her (unsure on pronouns here).

Huh, granted that would make it more troublesome. Our changing rooms for gym class were never used by more than one class at a time.

There was a girl I was acquainted with in 8th grade and had a mild crush on, that I would have liked to have been a bit more than friends with, but we never had any classes together, and I can count the number of times I met her in all four years on the fingers of one hand. I never had the courage to call her and ask, especially as it became year(s) since we spoke. I'm using it as an example of how I wouldn't necessarily be able to get to know the person on question.

Mmm, that always sucks. Also apparently shows off the difference with here, until graduating 9th grade(end of obligatory school), the vast majority of lessons is with your own class only(or part of it).

[slickrcbd]

We had a couple classes in 8th grade, and spent time working on a project in science. She was an early bloomer, and I think in hindsight I was more in lust than love, but it would be years before I got anywhere with a girl or knew the difference.
In high school we were in different classes and never saw each other. Unfortunately, three boys who had harassed me in 8th grade kept winding up in the same classes with me. A 4th member of their gang occasionally wound up in classes with me too.

In any case, I got really off-topic.

My point was that when I was a teen, most boys probably would have been fine with a girl sharing their locker room, transgendered or not, but the real reason would have been to have a free show of a girl stripping.

I'm not sure how girls in the mid '90s would have reacted, but most girls expressed sentiments of hating how boys stare at their bodies. I remember a big stink made about a bunch of catcalls made at the girls in some revealing "poms" outfits (both cheerleaders and "poms" insisted there was a difference but I don't have any recollection what it was, both wore similar outfits and danced with pom-poms) that made them look really sexy (and many parents said inappropriately sexy. Next year the outfits were looser and covered more skin). The girls thought it was disrespectful that the boys were looking at them with such lustful looks instead of enjoying their dancing for the dancing.

So with the trans boy who wants to use the girl's locker room to "be with her friends", I don't know. The boy's locker room had too much homophobia in the mid '90s for any boy to want such a thing.