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'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby SailorStar9 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:35 pm

I find one thing strange on those 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics.

If it's Mamoru who cheats, everyone rises hell, but if it's Usagi who's the cheater, it's absolutely okay.

What's up with that? :|
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby TerraEpon » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:47 am

Because RL is like that too?
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Ellen Kuhfeld » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:55 am

Because Sailor Moon is for teen girls.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Spica75 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:20 am

Can´t say i´ve seen it but my guess would be that it´s mostly a matter of perspective.

Unless the writer adds in the viewpoints of friends of Mamoru(which essentially doesn´t usually exist), then all you´re going to see is the viewpoints of friends of Usagi, and regardless of how critical they may be or not, they´re less likely to be truly harsh on Usagi about it. And if they are, it´s usually a bashfic and those are crap either way so i just drop them.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby PCHeintz72 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:23 pm

Spica75 wrote:Unless the writer adds in the viewpoints of friends of Mamoru(which essentially doesn´t usually exist),

Andrew...

In any case... As you said, you have a show where the girls outnumber the guys probably close to 10 to 1... and was originally aimed at girls of around age 11 and below (not that other demographics, such as myself, cannot watch, but it will not be geared for them). So of course the girls view would win... besides, these girls are neither adults, nor realists... this is a rose colored romantic and black and white view of the world....

Those with a pessimistic, cynical, ironic, or realistic bent will take a far darker view of the series, their actions, and everything in between. Including dating scenarios.

Personally, I disliked they dropped the fact Mamoru was dating Rei when she was all but dumped for Usagi, especially when Usagi and Mamoru hated each others guts until she learned of his alter ego. I came away from that blowup disliking this for all three characters.

It makes Usagi to me come across as shallow and petty, Mamoru as heartless, and Rei as urging the romatic view...
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Spica75 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:59 pm

especially when Usagi and Mamoru hated each others guts until she learned of his alter ego.

As i´ve said before, there is a big difference between hating and annoying each other.
They never did hate each other.

Andrew...

Who?

It makes Usagi to me come across as shallow and petty, Mamoru as heartless, and Rei as urging the romatic view...

Sure there´s a fair bit of that, but with the rest of the story, it is at least rather well shown that Usagi and Rei both go far beyond that, and there´s few people without flaws in their personality.
Mamoru never really manages a truly good impression though, i can probably agree on that.
But on the other hand, he´s not exactly himself a lot of the time(probably rather confusing) so he looks worse than he probably is.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby PCHeintz72 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:04 am

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Andrew...

Who?

Sorry, meant Motoki... Andrew is the dub name.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Spica75 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:43 am

PCHeintz72 wrote:Sorry, meant Motoki... Andrew is the dub name.

Ah ok, dubs are da evil and i avoid them zealously. :mrgreen:
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Noy Telinú » Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:14 pm

3 things.

1, it's a real life double standard. Male cheaters are cruel thinking with their penises. Female ones are "confused".

2, it's a show targeted at young girls.

And 3, most fanfiction is by girls.

Not to mention the 90% female character rate or the fact that tux boy is older therfore should be more responsible. And the fact that he actually has a brain while Usagi... Well...

It's unfair? Yes. Unexpected? No. Now, compared to other fandoms, I'm surprised on the hating on the male being so large. Usually they hate on the girl due to wanting to be with the guy or wanting him to be with another. Maybe he just sucks too much as a character? Or maybe it's because he isn't a dark emo kid? O_o face it, the anti heroes get more love then the others.

Maybe perhaps most identify with Usagi while far less people are attracted to/want/identify with tux boy.

Another reason could be that tux boy is the mysterious protecter guy which can rub people the wrong way since he doesn't do anything yet importaint anyway. :/
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Spica75 » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:46 pm

And 3, most fanfiction is by girls.

Is it really? Based on authors i know the gender of, the opposite is true by a fair margin.

1, it's a real life double standard. Male cheaters are cruel thinking with their penises. Female ones are "confused".

I think the opposite double standard is more common. "Score!" vs "Sluts" Waaay more common.

or the fact that tux boy is older therfore should be more responsible.

Now that i can agree probably adds to it.

And the fact that he actually has a brain while Usagi... Well...

Usagi does show off some decent intelligence occasionally, she just prefers not to engage her brain too often it seems. :mrgreen:

Or maybe it's because he isn't a dark emo kid?

:lol:
Wouldn´t surprise me if it was true. Sadly.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby PCHeintz72 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:59 am

Usagi does show off some decent intelligence occasionally, she just prefers not to engage her brain too often it seems.

In anime Usagi 'engaged her brain' as you put it so rarely her friends actually were worried enough to tell her off that she might not even be able to get into high school.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby TerraEpon » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:50 am

Spica75 wrote:
I think the opposite double standard is more common. "Score!" vs "Sluts" Waaay more common.


Not really. Stud vs Slut is usually applied to people who are single/have no commitment
When there's a relationship involved, though, guys are expected to not stray. If they do, they are pigs. Women that do it's assumed that men aren't "taking care of them" so they get more leeway (of course, bringing this back on topic, going by the anime Mamoru is a pretty crappy boyfriend even when they are supposedly happily together so it stands to reason a lot of fics lean toward that direction)
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Spica75 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:10 am

TerraEpon, possible point. Can´t exactly agree but, point.


In anime Usagi 'engaged her brain' as you put it so rarely her friends actually were worried enough to tell her off that she might not even be able to get into high school.

Shock treatment. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, their perspective is a bit skewed, Ami is, well not something you should compare anyone with, Rei is studious and goes to what is apparently a highend school, while Makoto seems to have done reasonably well despite all her earlier troubles.
And Minako? She can be ditzy, obsessive and weird as hell but stupid or lacking intelligence she is not.
While Mamoru seems to be a very serious student.

Lack of interest and memory seems to be Usagi´s real problems(as noted when Chibi-Usa mocks her for still using kana for writing even in the future).

Usagi is also the only one of them who has been allowed to remain an untroubled child, not having to start growing up for real until during the series timeline.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby PCHeintz72 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:37 am

Spica75 wrote:Shock treatment. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, their perspective is a bit skewed, Ami is, well not something you should compare anyone with, Rei is studious and goes to what is apparently a highend school, while Makoto seems to have done reasonably well despite all her earlier troubles.
And Minako? She can be ditzy, obsessive and weird as hell but stupid or lacking intelligence she is not.
While Mamoru seems to be a very serious student.

Lack of interest and memory seems to be Usagi´s real problems(as noted when Chibi-Usa mocks her for still using kana for writing even in the future).

Usagi is also the only one of them who has been allowed to remain an untroubled child, not having to start growing up for real until during the series timeline.

That changes... nothing.

The point was she was doing badly enough as a student and there concerns great enough they confronted her as a group about it. Well, Mamoru was not present for it, though a college student view would likely be similar.

She basically was trying to brush it off as irrelevant since she knew what she would be doing in her future anyway...

We also know her mom tended to low up at bad grades as well...

In any case, as we know from the show, she did get in.
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Re: 'Usagi/Mamoru cheating' fics

Postby Spica75 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:16 pm

In any case, as we know from the show, she did get in.

Despite never being really serious about it...
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