How did Queen Serenity come into power?

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How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby SailorStar9 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:10 am

How did Queen Serenity come to rule the Solar System? I mean, just how did the large planets, like Jupiter and Saturn, for example, be under a satellite's (aka the Moon) control? Let's face it, it makes no sense for such a small satelite to have a greater power than Venus; let alone Jupiter or Saturn.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Spica75 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:54 am

SailorStar9 wrote:How did Queen Serenity come to rule the Solar System? I mean, just how did the large planets, like Jupiter and Saturn, for example, be under a satellite's (aka the Moon) control? Let's face it, it makes no sense for such a small satelite to have a greater power than Venus; let alone Jupiter or Saturn.


Colonised from earth/moon most likely.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Crescent Pulsar S » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:09 pm

If we go by the manga, Serenity arrived while the solar system was still forming, billions of years ago. That would allow her to set herself up before other things do, so she can take preemptive action(s), or even allow her the opportunity to guide how certain things develop.

Also, the Ginzuishou, which she probably brought with her when she left her home/native galaxy.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Noy Telinú » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:50 pm

Why choose the moon though? It does not. Make. Sense.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Ellen Kuhfeld » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:45 pm

Noy Telinú wrote:Why choose the moon though? It does not. Make. Sense.

If Serenity's colonization ship arrived before the Late Heavy Bombardment was finished, the whole damn Solar System was pretty uninhabitable. The Earth would be too hot for comfort. The Moon would have cooled off enough for colonization much earlier. Mars would have been the sensible choice that far back, unless Serenity wanted to start with the blankest slate available.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Crescent Pulsar S » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:19 pm

Perhaps she saw the Earth's potential as a habitable, life-bearing planet (regarding size, resources and such) and felt it would be better to camp out nearby? She probably had a nice, closeup view early on. :wink:

Noy Telinú wrote:Why choose the moon though? It does not. Make. Sense.

The silver crystal being better than the gold crystal doesn't make any (traditional) sense, either. But, then again, who said color had anything to do with power, right?
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Blackcat101 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:02 pm

Personally I like the idea of her coming the power because her ancestors slowly conquered the Galaxy. I don't like Queen Serenity as some goddess. There are a few fics that show a bit of Queen Serenity having wars and conquering planets.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Crescent Pulsar S » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:51 pm

Being a goddess, or merely being seen as one, doesn't necessarily mean that she's all "good." There isn't a single pantheon that I know of that doesn't have at least one "evil" goddess, or at least one who's not big on morals and thinking beyond their own needs and wants.

You know, if you really want to make either Serenity appear to be bad, be sure to base it on something that actually happened, instead of making stuff up. In the case of the second Serenity, that includes the "great freeze," because trying to blame her for it assumes too many things regardless of what said blame is being based on. The first Serenity, on the other hand... You might be surprised how many good indicators that there are for her being a lot less good than she seems, and in some cases the second Serenity reversed what she had done.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Noy Telinú » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:07 pm

Besides, she's a queen. Queens are evil by default. Exceptions are elected queens. ^_^

Lets see what the first Queen godess did...

Have the entire system under her control...

Screwed Earth over...

Didnt allow her daughter to see whats his face.

Reincarnated those she liked so she can rebuild her queendom on earth.

Had all the Senshi be under her.

And I really got nothing. Seriously. Nothing. A little hep here?
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Crescent Pulsar S » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:45 pm

Noy Telinú wrote:Besides, she's a queen. Queens are evil by default. Exceptions are elected queens. ^_^

No, not even then. That kind of logic is fallacious as all get-out. All queens being evil by default included.

Lets see what the first Queen godess did...

She's probably asexual, and Serenity II was born via parthenogenesis instead of doing it with a man. :P

Have the entire system under her control...

Except the sun(?), the Earth, possibly the asteroid belt, whatever lies beyond Pluto...

Screwed Earth over...

In what way?

Didnt allow her daughter to see whats his face.

That's evil? Considering the political climate at the time, it seems fairly reasonable to me.

Reincarnated those she liked so she can rebuild her queendom on earth.

I don't recall her wanting to rebuild her kingdom on Earth, or at all. Her daughter didn't restart it on the moon when the palace was rebuilt either, and -- when Luna suggested she do just that -- she made it clear that she was happy with things as they were (kingdomless).

As for "those she liked," I fail to see what that assumption could be based on.

Had all the Senshi be under her.

That's bad/evil/wrong how, exactly? Not that she had them all, anyway.

And I really got nothing. Seriously. Nothing. A little hep here?

Does that help? :P
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Spica75 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:12 pm

Have the entire system under her control...

Yes?

Screwed Earth over...

Have to protect those savage natives from their own carelessness.

Didnt allow her daughter to see whats his face.

Can´t have irresponsible daughters running around and jumping into bed with the first male they think looks good.

Reincarnated those she liked so she can rebuild her queendom on earth.

Don´t you know that longterm stability is the most desired thing among people?

Had all the Senshi be under her.

Someone had to be on top?

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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Té Rowan » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:29 am

As Vetinari once said: "What people really want is for today to be like yesterday and tomorrow to be like today."
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Noy Telinú » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:29 pm

Nostalgia, got it.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Ellen Kuhfeld » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:38 pm

Noy Telinú wrote:Nostalgia, got it.

Just another way to avoid reprogramming yourself all the time.
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Re: How did Queen Serenity come into power?

Postby Cheb » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:43 am

There's much more to that. Much more. A lot of life forms in the galaxy, and all are humans looking exactly the same.

Either we have one hell of a convergent evolution here, or...

For Earth, it's interesting how dinosaurs, clearly the more advanced of the two kinds of animals, fell into ruin and gave way for the more primitive mammals. Just for a "standard" human to rise afterwards? There's clearly a force at work that dwarfs even the ASC (Almighty Silver Crystal).

Maybe it's Sailor Cosmos who won in the future, to transcend limits of time and become a god?
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