What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tokyo?

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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Noy Telinú » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:13 pm

Huh? Really? Why did they have different due dates?
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Spokavriel » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:35 pm

Oh due dates for the issue were the same but one had some stories written ahead the other, Sailor Moon, did not.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Noy Telinú » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:46 pm

And this is not her fault now because?
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Spokavriel » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:52 pm

She was ordered to continue a story she had herself considered finished. She accepted the money before she even came up with a plot. It put her into the time crunch repeatedly for every story arc after the death of Beryl.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Noy Telinú » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:03 pm

Sounds like DB to me.

How can this not look sexist? O_o
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Moridin » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:22 am

it's not sexist. Sailor moon was so popular that they wanted more, despite the fact the story could be considered finished with the death of Metalia and Beryl. It also explains the doom tree story line at the start of season 2.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Noy Telinú » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:22 pm

What I'm getting is that both ad due dates of the same length, but one, the guy was able to not only explain and elaborate the time travel to where it makes sense, but have the characters care about it.

While the other one, who was female, didn't.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Cheb » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:58 pm

Do you realize that the the SM anime has little to do with Naoko takeuchi? The character designs (partly: as the skirts in the anime are much more rigid and not almost-see-through.). Character personalities? A little bit. Plot? well, except a couple pilot episodes, and vaguely general direction, there's little in common. The enemies are characterized vastly differently. Did you see Pharaoh 90 spreading like "black lava that reeks of death"? Did you see Koan of Phantom sisters burn children alive for the evulz?

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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Noy Telinú » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:58 am

... So... Dragon Ball's had more with the anime then?

And wasn't time travel in the manga?
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Cheb » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:08 am

Much more. DB anime is basically manga plus ungodly amounts of filler.

There was, but that's all the two plots have in common. Anime doesnt have Pluto stopping time to prevent the future Ginjuisho coming in contact with the past Ginjuishi, which would have divided the universe by zero.

I'll make a manga plot compilation some day so that ya'll all see how *utterly different* the two are.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Ellen Kuhfeld » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:22 am

Cheb wrote: Anime doesnt have Pluto stopping time to prevent the future Ginjuisho coming in contact with the past Ginjuishi, which would have divided the universe by zero.


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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Noy Telinú » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:34 pm

This isn't helping the case any that SM is a good person. There is no excuse here then. They don't say anything about potentially finding a way to save those people.

Awfully convent that her creator doesn't even explore that at all. Do female mangaka just don't think about things to their logical conclusion? Because Rumiko didn't explore the curse nearly as much as anyone else really. While DB's seemed to have an answer for everything.

This screams sexism, but it's just curiosity mixed with WHY? For me. It's just confusing. "they didn't have time" is false since its the same amount of time. Saying that the stories were difference doesn't mean a thing and all I was convinced of that it's really hard not to throw in sexism in this and my hate for that bunny has risen.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Ellen Kuhfeld » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:05 pm

Noy Telinú wrote:It's just confusing. "they didn't have time" is false since its the same amount of time.

First, we have to define "same". I know a writer who does one book a year; I know another writer who does three. These two do not think the same when presented with a year to do something in.

Secondly, there's the matter of playing catchup. For DBZ, the mangaka knew what was coming, and what he was going to do about it. For Sailor Moon, the mangaka had no idea she was going to do more after the Dark Kingdom was through, and had to start from a standstill. She was off balance from the get-go (hence the Doom Tree arc) and working to another's rhythms.

It doesn't have all that much to do with sex or gender.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Spokavriel » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:06 pm

Near as I've been able to find Naoko Takeuchi was only caught in the situation of being asked to continue without a pre-planned plot on Sailor Moon. And they did it to her not just once or twice but three times between the initial production and the final Manga written for the series. Its also documented she took a break from writing Manga to help in the production of the Sailor Moon anime. Not sure what parts of the Anime she was involved with beyond clearly up to Beryl but someone probably does.
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Re: What justification does Usagi have to create Crystal Tok

Postby Spica75 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:09 pm

Noy Telinú wrote:This isn't helping the case any that SM is a good person. There is no excuse here then. They don't say anything about potentially finding a way to save those people.

Awfully convent that her creator doesn't even explore that at all. Do female mangaka just don't think about things to their logical conclusion? Because Rumiko didn't explore the curse nearly as much as anyone else really. While DB's seemed to have an answer for everything.

This screams sexism, but it's just curiosity mixed with WHY? For me. It's just confusing. "they didn't have time" is false since its the same amount of time. Saying that the stories were difference doesn't mean a thing and all I was convinced of that it's really hard not to throw in sexism in this and my hate for that bunny has risen.


Isn´t the difference simply that DB plain sucks? :twisted:
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