Ki in Ranma 1/2

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Re: Ki in Ranma 1/2

Postby Noy Telinú » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:57 pm

For once, I agree with LawOhki, Ki isn't vital exactly. Ryoga was void of it when unleashing Shi Shi Hokodan perfected and he was just fine.

Plus, Happosai was attacking Ranma's strength. If he attacked his Ki, then he wouldn't be ABLE to tornado him. I don't remember anyone saying that without Ki, they'd be dead.

And while Hinako says she would drain them to death, it doesn't make sense. Her attacks don't make sense. Draining them shouldn't cause them to be knocked out. Rumiko prolly did it for rule of funny.

Maybe it's the suddenness and mind over matter? Ranma gets drained, but is able to still keep going. If you're feeding off of your emotional energy and it's sucked right out of you, you do get deflated. Perhaps Hinako only thought that she could do to anger on her part?
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Re: Ki in Ranma 1/2

Postby Spokavriel » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:07 pm

Ryouga wasn't void of Ki he was void of Emotion. He had sent off a Ki Blast amped up with All His Emotion. That is what the Shi-shi-hokoudan blast is.

Edit: Being void of emotion is how you avoid taking the hit. That is why the distraction about Akane was what was needed to crush him with his own blast.
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Re: Ki in Ranma 1/2

Postby Zwzn » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:40 pm

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LawOhki wrote: Similarities with other stories or genres have no bearing that in Ranma nearly anyone can fire off ki blasts and they do not give out psychic powers.
You do realize I was talking about the real world inspirations for Ranma 1/2 that say anyone can learn to be a psychic or a mystical martial artist if they train properly? The idea that there is some mystical energy out there that humans can learn to manipulate and gain various powers is quite common world wide. If the author does not explain things in detail then we must conclude things are as they are in real life. We know the author of Ranma 1/2 has a basic understanding of the theory concerning traditional east Asian medicine and eastern martial arts.
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I'm rather scared that you do not seem to know what the phrase: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" means.
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Why shouldn't anyone be able to learn to fire Ki blasts? Everyone has Ki. Everyone uses Ki to some degree. It is simply a matter of training. It is simply far more then feel an emotion strongly though or the technique would be extremely common.
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As for Ranma being a psychic, he says he is using mental energy in the ki blast arc, considers reading people's minds to be normal at least by the wishing sword arc, Ranma messes with Ukyo's mind in the Reversal jewel arc, faced mental attacks from Happosai, senses things he can't see or hear in a number of arcs, sees astral projections, considers ghosts and spirits to be relatively normal... sounds like Ranma would be called psychic in the west.


LawOhki wrote: /facepalm

If you have something worth saying say it. Right now you are just making nonsensical comments half the time.

If you are going to post a face palm do it right. Get one of those demotivational posters with Picard on it, or find a video on youtube. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. Really, you've been doing everything in this thread in a half assed manner.

LawOhki wrote: Well you're doing a great job of not pointing these things out.
Why not drop the rude and abrasive attitude, and actual engage in polite conversation? Responding to questions with rude sarcastic comment is rather pointless and childish.
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The vengeful doll spirit could animate the doll the ghost inhabited as if it was alive, and it could transfer itself into a living person's body, and put the victim's soul inside the doll. While in the doll the victim(Akane) was able to function as if in their own body. This would seem to show the characters can manipulate things with their will alone.

LawOhki wrote: WTF does Naruto have to do with Ranma?

Nothing directly, but there is crossover fanfiction and such. It is simply a matter of Ki in Ranma 1/2 and chakra being described similarly.

You really should simply ask politely for clarification if something confuses you. You'll find honey works better then sulfuric acid.

LawOhki wrote: This is your problem, you're confusing other stories or tropes and shoving them into Ranma because they are vaguely similar, even though nothing within Ranma canon supports it.
What are you talking about? So far you have shown ignorance of the real world, Ranma 1/2, and Naruto, and unwillingness to learn.

The word chakra is purposely misused by the author of Naruto. Chakra isn't some random nonsense word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

LawOhki wrote: You still haven't given one instance where a character states or implies that they strengthen themselves by strengthening their ki. Ryoga during the breaking point doesn't get tougher because he trains his ki, he gets tougher cause he's used to being beaten to a pulp.
You ask the impossible because the characters don't make the distinction between metaphysical and physical training as far as I know, and real world martial artists don't make the distinction the distinction as well. Using Ki to strengthen your body is a well known claim.

You won't except the real world basis for what inspired the abilities seen in Ranma 1/2 because? It's rather sad you proved that you aren't reading evidence proved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuqkP5Mic2U
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The breaking point requires the user to be able to see the pressure points in the rock just as you would in a living being. It requires the student to be able to use pressure points in combat. It is not randomly poking rocks and making them explode. Everything about the Breaking Point is Ki manipulation.
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What evidence do you have that the biology of humans in Ranma 1/2 alters do to external stimuli.

Why should we ignore the inspiration for Ranma 1/2?


LawOhki wrote: Than that must be why Ranma trains to use a ki tornado to beat Happosai. Yea that was Happosai attacking his ki.
You asked for proof that Ranma 1/2 martial artists use Ki to buff their physical stats. I proved the evidence, and you retort with a nonsensical sarcastic comment that shows you didn't read the story line in Ranma 1/2, and you show you did not read read what i linked to..

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Happosai uses an obscure moxibustion point to make Ranma weak, and arguably reduces Ranma over all ability.

Now, R.T. did not explain how Moxibustion work, and that means we must turn to the real world to find out that bit of information.
http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/abc/moxibustion.php wrote: Moxibustion
Moxibustion is a traditional Chinese medicine technique that involves the burning of mugwort, a small, spongy herb, to facilitate healing. Moxibustion has been used throughout Asia for thousands of years; in fact, the actual Chinese character for acupuncture, translated literally, means "acupuncture-moxibustion." The purpose of moxibustion, as with most forms of traditional Chinese medicine, is to strengthen the blood, stimulate the flow of qi, and maintain general health.
How does moxibustion work? Does it hurt?
There are two types of moxibustion: direct and indirect. In direct moxibustion, a small, cone-shaped amount of moxa is placed on top of an acupuncture point and burned. This type of moxibustion is further categorized into two types: scarring and non-scarring. With scarring moxibustion, the moxa is placed on a point, ignited, and allowed to remain onto the point until it burns out completely. This may lead to localized scarring, blisters and scarring after healing. With non-scarring moxibustion, the moxa is placed on the point and lit, but is extinguished or removed before it burns the skin. The patient will experience a pleasant heating sensation that penetrates deep into the skin, but should not experience any pain, blistering or scarring unless the moxa is left in place for too long.
Indirect moxibustion is currently the more popular form of care because there is a much lower risk of pain or burning. In indirect moxibustion, a practitioner lights one end of a moxa stick, roughly the shape and size of a cigar, and holds it close to the area being treated for several minutes until the area turns red. Another form of indirect moxibustion uses both acupuncture needles and moxa. A needle is inserted into an acupoint and retained. The tip of the needle is then wrapped in moxa and ignited, generating heat to the point and the surrounding area. After the desired effect is achieved, the moxa is extinguished and the needle(s) removed.
What is moxibustion used for?
In traditional Chinese medicine, moxibustion is used on people who have a cold or stagnant condition. The burning of moxa is believed to expel cold and warm the meridians, which leads to smoother flow of blood and qi. In Western medicine, moxibustion has successfully been used to turn breech babies into a normal head-down position prior to childbirth. A landmark study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 1998 found that up to 75% of women suffering from breech presentations before childbirth had fetuses that rotated to the normal position after receiving moxibustion at an acupuncture point on the Bladder meridian. Other studies have shown that moxibustion increases the movement of the fetus in pregnant women, and may reduce the symptoms of menstrual cramps when used in conjunction with traditional acupuncture.
Why do acupuncturists use mugwort? Why not use some other herb?
Mugwort, also known as artemesia vulgaris or ai ye in Chinese, has a long history of use in folk medicine. Research has shown that it acts as an emmenagogue ­ that is, an agent that increases blood circulation to the pelvic area and uterus and stimulates menstruation. This could explain its use in treating breech births and menstrual cramps.
Are there any precautions I should be aware of?
Although moxibustion has been safely used in traditional Chinese medicine for centuries, it is not for everyone. Because it is used specifically for patients suffering from cold or stagnant constitutions, it should not be used on anyone diagnosed with too much heat. Burning moxa also produces a great deal of smoke and a pungent odor. Patients with respiratory problems may request that their practitioner use smokeless moxa sticks as an alternative.
How do I find an acupuncturist who practices moxibustion in my area?
Moxibustion is usually taught as part of a qualified acupuncture or traditional Chinese medicine degree program. Although there are no licensing or accreditation requirements associated with the practice of moxibustion, in the United States, a practitioner must have an acupuncture license to be allowed to perform moxibustion.
For more information on finding a practitioner who used moxibustion, contact your state acupuncture association or licensing board.

What Happosai did was make it so that Ranma could not use his Ki to enhance his strength as we are told in the story line. Moxibustion works through similar principals to the Full Body Cat's Tongue pressure point. The Meridian System can be likened to pipes with valves, and ki/Qi can be likened to water flowing through them. What Happosai did was to mess with a valve that would cause a desired result. There is no reason Ranma could not use his Ki in ways other then to enhance his strength.
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Re: Ki in Ranma 1/2

Postby Zwzn » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:46 pm

Noy Telinú wrote: For once, I agree with LawOhki, Ki isn't vital exactly. Ryoga was void of it when unleashing Shi Shi Hokodan perfected and he was just fine.
I really suggest you start researching things like Ki/Chi/Qi. Ki. Having a basic understanding of these sorts of things help you understand many things in both eastern and western works.

If Lawohki is correct then how do you explain all the mind tricks. There are paralyzing illusions only the victim sees, techniques that let you turn an enraged person out for your blood into a love sick puppy, make large numbers of people forget things they should know, and outright read minds.




Noy Telinú wrote: Plus, Happosai was attacking Ranma's strength. If he attacked his Ki, then he wouldn't be ABLE to tornado him. I don't remember anyone saying that without Ki, they'd be dead.
What Happosai did was attack Ranma's Ki system with Moxibustion. Just like acupuncture, pressure points, and moxibustion work by altering/damaging a person's Ki flows. Normally these things are used for healing.


Noy Telinú wrote: And while Hinako says she would drain them to death, it doesn't make sense. Her attacks don't make sense. Draining them shouldn't cause them to be knocked out. Rumiko prolly did it for rule of funny.

Maybe it's the suddenness and mind over matter? Ranma gets drained, but is able to still keep going. If you're feeding off of your emotional energy and it's sucked right out of you, you do get deflated. Perhaps Hinako only thought that she could do to anger on her part?
This will sound annoying, but do some research on "traditional chinese medicine" and related topics like Ki/Qi, or at least "vitalism". I don't have the time or energy to explain the complex theories behind them.

Remember that Akane was able to animate the doll she was trapped in during the Vengeful doll story line. Hinako normally stops draining a person's Ki before they are in danger of death. She literally is sucking the person's health/life/soul out of them, and Ranma is simply insanely strong even when compared to other superhuman martial artists. Characters also take note about how unnaturally fast Ranma recovers in universe, and how he survives things he should not be able to..
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Re: Ki in Ranma 1/2

Postby LawOhki » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:09 pm

Zwzn wrote:I really suggest you start researching things like Ki/Chi/Qi. Ki. Having a basic understanding of these sorts of things help you understand many things in both eastern and western works.

Just like you right? :roll:

But please continue pointing to any real world counterpart as though it makes any amount of difference in a fictional worlds canon. Not pointing to canon events to support your assertions is clearly the path to thread victory!
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