Crescent Pulsar R wrote:The thing is, Takeuchi either doesn't know enough about time travel or didn't care enough to write her story according to either predestination or the conditions for certain kinds of paradoxes. One of the most evident examples of that, and proves at the very least that there isn't any predestination (in both the manga and the anime), is that the senshi uniforms shown in the second story arc/season, during Crystal Tokyo, are not of the super variety shown later on in the past. (Later in the past? Time travel makes you say weird things...) If the future were certain, then the senshi of the past would have seen their future selves wearing a different uniform, not the same one that they were wearing.
Zwzn wrote:The uniforms being different doesn't tell us anything since it's a matter of changing clothing basically, but I don't doubt that Takeuchi did not give temporal paradoxes much thought as the whole star seed thing does not mesh well with Code Name: Sailor V or early sailor Moon.
Okay, one, we've only seen the senshi return to a previous outfit style when a more powerful form is clearly temporary (which only happens when Usagi or Chibi-Usa assumes a princess or queen form, and for Sailor Moon's super form at first -- in the manga, at least). Their final transformation is two ahead of the one shown in the future, both (super and eternal) of which were clearly permanent forms. Any reason for them to assume a weaker form (especially in the anime, since it would have made the barrier all that more effective) in the future would be supposition, not fact. Two, you contradicted your own argument: if the mechanics change, then so too does the context of the future. There's no way the future of the series can remain the same if something fundamental about it is changed. The key word here being "changed," as in not the same, or deviating so as to become different.
Pluto in the anime makes it clear by saying that she is there to ensure Crystal Tokyo's existence by causing certain events to happen meaning what happened. She seemingly did not know everything, but she had events she needed to make happen and did make them happen.
I'm not that familiar with the anime, but my past experience with you does not allow me to take your word for it; you'll have to show me proof of that.
Though it's not really needed since this argument is also self-contradictory. By saying that Pluto has to take action to ensure that a particular future comes about, that means that the future we know is not the future that Pluto had known before she took action. Why? Because she wouldn't have taken action if she hadn't looked into the future to know that it would have been required. There's no way that she would have been able to guess exactly what changes she would have needed to make (or that she needed to make some in the first place) without being able to look into the future, and even then not without a way to test the outcomes before making a decision (and there's no evidence that the Door of Time works in that fashion). Which also means that anyone who can time travel has the ability to change the future. Why else would Pluto need to guard the Door of Time unless history could be changed, or a paradox could be created? Because there is no predestination.
There is also something called Parallel Sailor Moon as I recall which takes place in a non-canon future that is in a parallel universe.
I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I generally associate parallel universes with quantum mechanics, which would also debunk predestination since it's based on possibility and not certainty. Or that the only certainty is that anything is possible. That's my understanding of it, anyway.
Crescent Pulsar R wrote:The other thing is that the context in this case doesn't really matter, as the meaning to the statement is rather clear. Pharaoh 90 came from another dimension, making it an outsider, so of course it's possible to upset the natural flow of events when something new is introduced to it. And if that's possible, then one can plan and set things up for a particular fate, but with all plans there is always the possibility that it will fail, or at least deviate a bit in delivery or result because of something unexpected. Which is exactly how it was for Pluto and the other outer senshi, because Saturn wasn't supposed to be reborn.
Either way, we've strayed from the topic, so...
Zwzn wrote:Sailor Uranus and Neptune are good fighters, but are total idiots who think they know a lot more then they do.
Sailor Pluto rarely if ever left her post until the Dark Moon arc making her a poor source of anything in the manga.
I fail to see how that bears any relevance to the fact that Saturn wasn't supposed to be reborn, which was why the outer senshi were active in the first place. If that unexpected change hadn't happened, they wouldn't have been present.
The events in the Death Busters story line were set in motion years before the Beryl story line. In the anime at least Hotaru was 9 when she was hurt, and things aren't very different in the manga. That means the Death Busters were part of the canon time line before the Beryl arc. That means the Death Busters were part of the time line that leads to Crystal Tokyo.
Dimension can mean a lot of things depending on the context, and who uses the word. One must also take into account the speaker may be wrong, the author incorrectly using words, or something might have been lost in translation.
In the end we are left with the Death Busters, Dead Moon Circus, and Galaxia as being part of the time line that leads to Crystal Tokyo before Code Name Sailor V even begins because they were all active in the canon universe before the start of the series. Any changes they may have caused to the time line had to have been made before the series started.
I think the author was most likely making it up as she went along after a certain point as happens with many long running series, and not thinking things through carefully.
You know, aside from your argument about the use of "dimension" being extremely weak, just because something is present doesn't mean it has yet taken any action that would affect the future. Basically, if someone were to eventually cause a paradox, it shouldn't show its effect until it actually happens. According to your argument, the universe would have been nulled at its creation, because predestination would have set it in stone right at the beginning. If the Black Moon had succeeded in their plans, they would have created a paradox (which was not what they wanted), and a very obvious one at that. I seriously doubt that they would have gone into the past to do what they had to do unless they knew that it wouldn't be a problem. That means any changes they would have made would have created an alternate universe instead of a paradox.
Oh, and if you think that the most likely thing to have happened is that Takeuchi had made things up as she went? Then why are you arguing for predestination? There's no way things can be predestined if she didn't care enough to plan and organize her ideas so that everything added up to the same thing, which is impossible considering how she'd gone from relying on devices to transform into a senshi to using something innate like a star seed (or sailor crystals, as a senshi's is called). Even if the star seeds were presumably already there, what sense would it make to overcome the following obstacles before they can serve their purpose: the ability/technology to realize/notice that they have a sailor crystal, and the ability/technology to create the device.