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A Certain Arrogant Horse

Postby toushin » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:29 pm

i recently really got into Toaru Majutsu no Index but every Ranma crossover i find are usually like 1 or 2 chapters at most 6. however everyone has including the ones on this site have pages and pages of discussions on how such a universe would work, where Ranma's respective abilities lie, anger on weather or not Ranma will replace Touma, ect. i really would like to see such a crossover go somewhere so after shifting through all the reviews and forums i came up with this based off of everything i read

http://ranmafanon.wikia.com/wiki/Catego ... gant_Horse

what do you think
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Re: A Certain Arrogant Horse

Postby Spica75 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:29 pm

Overall i can just say that i would like to see more stories focused on the Railgun universe.

There are a number of possibilities for this arc Mugino Shizuri could become another love interest introduced (she could be Ranma’s new Kodachi).


Dear goodness, you´re evil! Kodachi is bad enough, at least she doesn´t have a literal BFG to play with... And while she´s not as delusional as Kodachi, she may be more crazy. I totally approve of the idea. :twisted:

It provides the opportunity for the two to fight multiple times. Getting them to fight wouldn’t be that hard Ranma would see blood the moment he finds about the Radio Noise Project and Accelerator is told that if a normal person finds out about it he would have to shut them up permanently.


Caution here, Ranma is at VERY high risk to get killed facing off against Accelerator. >90% of Ranma´s abilities are not just useless, but more dangerous to himself if used in such a fight. Should work if Ranma gets to see Accelerator in a fight before this happens, so he at least knows what to NOT use.

And as an addition to that, even overpowered Ranma is going to have major problems dealing with the level 5s and many level 4s. They simply do not attack in ways he has any effective defense against.
Misaka could roast him easily, Mugino could have him do an excellent swiss cheese impression the instant she uses a card and Ranma isn´t extremely fast to get out of the way(dodging her beams is impossible, dodging her aim can be done but is very very hard), he probably has zero resistance to Shokuhou´s mindfuckery, Kuroko could kill him the instant that she wanted to(he would need to know exactly how to avoid getting something teleported inside of him to have a chance) etc etc...

and integrate emotions to the clones that would make the people involved in the experiments reevaluate the clones' humanity.


Do the "controllers" actually care about that?

If the silicon cards work on ki blast


It would be extremely difficult to justify that.

Since it didn’t happen in the original series Ranma could be the one to help Kiyama find her car.


Remember, the more times you have Ranma replace Touma in a situation, the fewer times you have Touma interact with Mikoto, IF you want those two into some sort of relationship, that could be a bit problematic(to say the least).

Also, mostly just having Ranma replace Touma isn´t likely to work very well i think. Extremely different character and personality, totally different abilities, Touma can survive things that would kill Ranma instantly AND vice versa, and the risk of making the story look like "same thing different names".

It´s probably much better to have him added into the mix rather than replacing anyone specific. And his presence almost have to have an effect on the story(overarching plots and results not dependant on exact events may stay the same, but events and details should scatter to the winds of change), he´s simply too much into interfering as well has having a very noticeable degree of ability and power to interfere with.

This would also involve him into the graviton bombing incident.


Does Ranma have any way of surviving a (too) close encounter with one of the stronger graviton bombs? They don´t function like normal bombs, and even normal bombs are one of the things Ranma isn´t exactly superb at dealing with.

This arc also introduces Capacity Down, a sound file that disrupts esper brain functions, making it very difficult for them to use their power effectively, or do much of anything at all.


A very questionable introduction in my view. It´s an "uber plot device" that at least in theory should be relatively easy to spread and massproduce, and be a HUGE target for anyone wanting to deal with espers. Use with great care. Personally i would try to make it more situational one way or another, so that just playing a sound file doesn´t automatically disrupt any esper completely.

(keep in mind that as a protagonist in the Toaru Majutsu no Index universe Ranma is legally obligated to have a harem)


:mrgreen:

Remember though, unless you change things(or i missrecall too much), he´s just 1-2 years older than the main quartet of girls, so there´s nothing preventing them from involvement if you really want him with "girls girls girls".

Finally since Gabriel rules over the symbol of water it could change the trigger or even trap or cure Ranma.


*giggles*

Ranma would feel extremely guilty about the sister’s he couldn’t save and might even offer to train them so that they could better defend themselves.


That, could be awesome. He also might not have to train more than a handful of them for enough experience to spread through their "network"...

what do you think


I would certainly like to see the idea become a story(or 3 ). Definitely workable. Definitely plausible.
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Re: A Certain Arrogant Horse

Postby toushin » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:09 pm

Caution here, Ranma is at VERY high risk to get killed facing off against Accelerator. >90% of Ranma´s abilities are not just useless, but more dangerous to himself if used in such a fight. Should work if Ranma gets to see Accelerator in a fight before this happens, so he at least knows what to NOT use.

And as an addition to that, even overpowered Ranma is going to have major problems dealing with the level 5s and many level 4s. They simply do not attack in ways he has any effective defense against.
Misaka could roast him easily, Mugino could have him do an excellent swiss cheese impression the instant she uses a card and Ranma isn´t extremely fast to get out of the way(dodging her beams is impossible, dodging her aim can be done but is very very hard), he probably has zero resistance to Shokuhou´s mindfuckery, Kuroko could kill him the instant that she wanted to(he would need to know exactly how to avoid getting something teleported inside of him to have a chance) etc etc...



In every argument involving Ranma vs Accelerator the later is put into a category similar Saffron in that it would an all or nothing fight, but I put more in Herb’s category in that it would take multiple fights before Ranma figures out how to beat him. It is less that that Ranma is powerful enough to defeat him, but more that he is durable enough to survive.

It is true most of Ranma’s ability would be useless and any initial confrontation with them would end up with Ranma in the hospital he wouldn’t be in any risk of being killed. As stated Accelerated isn’t a sadist he doesn’t look for trouble the people he brutalizes all go after him not the other way around. So a combination of Ranma’s healing factor and Durability and the fact that Accelerator wouldn’t be going full out could be the deciding factor especially if you add in Heaven Canceller medical ability. Ranma would end up with at most a broken arm and some bruises.

There second fight would be were it really matter’s. Yes Accelerator is extremely powerful he has a number of weaknesses’ that Ranma could exploit. The easiest is that he can’t reflect something if he doesn’t know the correct vector equations for it. There is little difference between ki and magic. However while Magic is to complicated to be completely redirected a ki blast would be so basic that that it would be a complete unknown so Accelerator wouldn’t be able to completely redirected. Redirecting a vacuum blade would just funnel air into it resulting in a blast of air. While it would take some ingenuity (which isn’t hard for Ranma) a Hiryu shoten ha could also work as Accelerator as he can’t use his Aerokinesis if the wind is moving in an abnormal direction. There is also dividing his focus which is how Amai Ao was able to shoot him in the head. Finally Accelerator himself mentioned that suffocating him would work so maybe a variation of the Deep-Sea Demon Wrap. While Ranma beating Accelerator would still be far-fetched he would be able to put in a sizable dent in him and get away. Though since Accelerator would be far more willing to go all out in a second confrontation. It is a given that Ranma will end up seriously injured.

Finally the Kiseru/Fan Throw follows the same principles as Vector Manipulation in that it changes the magnitude and direction of an object to maneuver it in the desired way. So it is not implausible once Accelerator’s ability is explained to him (or he figures it out) to come up up with something similar to Kihara’s technique or even already have a technique and would just need to apply it offensively instead of defensively.

My consensus is that Ranma would be able to figure out a way to defeat Accelerator but by the time he does he would either be to injured to utilize it or there would no longer be a reason to fight him.



As for other level 5 that might not be as hard as you make it out to be yes if Mikoto went at him full power she could roast him easily but she’s not the type to go full out on the first strike and as shown with his fight with Rouge Ranma is durable enough survive a lightning strike even multiple ones and that was magically enhanced.

Mugino would probably be the easiest to deal with as she tends to underestimate people and rely heavily on her powers. In fact she had been defeated by a level 0 who unlike Touma had absolutely no powers or abilities multiple times. Even Sogiita he could probably handle given the guy’s fighting styles. The level 5’s who would really give Ranma trouble are Misaki and Kakine

Do the "controllers" actually care about that?


It’s more like Accelerator would care as the fact that the Sister’s were so emotionless was one of the ways he rationalized killing them because it allowed him to convince himself that they weren’t human. Them showing a little more emotions could possibly catch him off guard.
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Re: A Certain Arrogant Horse

Postby Spica75 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:25 am

Yes Accelerator is extremely powerful he has a number of weaknesses’ that Ranma could exploit. The easiest is that he can’t reflect something if he doesn’t know the correct vector equations for it. There is little difference between ki and magic. However while Magic is to complicated to be completely redirected a ki blast would be so basic that that it would be a complete unknown so Accelerator wouldn’t be able to completely redirected. Redirecting a vacuum blade would just funnel air into it resulting in a blast of air. While it would take some ingenuity (which isn’t hard for Ranma) a Hiryu shoten ha could also work as Accelerator as he can’t use his Aerokinesis if the wind is moving in an abnormal direction. There is also dividing his focus which is how Amai Ao was able to shoot him in the head. Finally Accelerator himself mentioned that suffocating him would work so maybe a variation of the Deep-Sea Demon Wrap.


There´s extremely few and far between things that he doesn´t know how to affect at all. Even just his autodeflect handles almost anything on its own.

If ki and magic was anything the like, someone in the Ranma-verse WOULD have figured out how to use ki to replicate magic, AFAIK, noone ever did or even thought it realistic.

I have severe doubts a ki-blast would do more than cause some puzzlement for Accelerator. It´s energy of a kind, and his ability works on energy without problem. Might not work perfectly, but feels unlikely to fail.

Vacuum blades may get a "return to sender" redirection rather than explode. Also, vacuum blades exploding is a blast of air, something his ability completely nullifies. Having them implode MIGHT in theory be able to exploit one of his weaknesses, but it´s uncertain.

"Accelerator as he can’t use his Aerokinesis if the wind is moving in an abnormal direction"? Ehm, where did you get that from? AFAIK, that´s simply not true. It will throw off his "aim" a bit(possibly even a lot), but it wont stop him in any way. Also, the amount of force needed to seriously throw him off is MASSIVE.

And a Hiryu shoten ha is potentially extremely dangerous for Ranma, because Accelerator WILL notice the setup looong before it can be activated. Also, there´s near zero chance for Ranma to get him to follow the proper setup "steps", Accelerator is NOT a martial artist and he doesn´t care the slightest about moving like such, he generally either stands still or goes straight ahead to attack.
He´s also generally a "cold and calculating bastard", trying to use him as the hotspot may not even work at all unless he´s got really worked up first. And for that to happen, Ranma needs to survive long enough to actually get him riled up(as in angry, excited probably doesn´t work). Probably much easier after he finds out he actually DO cares for something, but even then he might just laugh it off.

OTOH, if you use him post-nerf, sure then you have the time limit hampering him, problem with that however is that he´s likely to just make SURE he downs any enemies well before the time runs out, and that´s probably MUCH worse for Ranma as one of his main advantages is that he´s good at playing keep away until he figures out how to handle an opponent.


Divided focus certainly works, but seriously, how likely is it that he will need to do something on the level of a supercomputer just as he´s fighting Ranma? Zero probability that it will both be that kind of level AND something he cares enough about to actually do rather than kick someone´s ass.

Suffocating works of course... But, huge problem with that is that most ways to do it means FIRST getting into direct contact with Accelerator and that just isn´t going to work.
Deep sea demon wrap probably isn´t going to work, the vacuum part is only momentary and the rest of the effect is just a minor inconvenience to Accy. Several in quick succession should work to unsettle or mess with him but unlikely to do much more than that.
And doing several of them quickly, i doubt that Ranma even CAN do that.


In my view, the one thing that is most likely to work well is for Ranma to figure out the same thing one person in the anime uses against Accy, the "backwards punch" or whatever to call it, basically reversing a punch just as it comes in contact with Accy, exploiting his autodeflect to actually cause the hit instead of deflecting it. Although uncertain if there´s a simple counter for that.

Though since Accelerator would be far more willing to go all out in a second confrontation. It is a given that Ranma will end up seriously injured.


Remember, this is the guy who before running into a certain annoying little girl, had absolutely no qualms about killing. There´s a definite risk that someone who can hurt him, him going all out means dead opponent. And quite possibly "dead" as in "itty bitty pieces scattered far and wide over the countryside".

Finally the Kiseru/Fan Throw follows the same principles as Vector Manipulation


In the way that a bow and arrow uses the same principles as a battleship cannon maybe. Accelerator does not just redirect, he can add or remove forces almost freely. There´s very good reason he retains the #1 ranking even after his "brain surgery by bullet" nerf.

As for other level 5 that might not be as hard as you make it out to be yes if Mikoto went at him full power she could roast him easily but she’s not the type to go full out on the first strike and as shown with his fight with Rouge Ranma is durable enough survive a lightning strike even multiple ones and that was magically enhanced.


A lightning strike is nothing compared to what Misaka can do if she WANTS to. She could cause dozens of lightning strikes per second and still not be at her limit. Only reason people don´t die like flies facing a flamethrower around her is because she doesn´t want to kill. It´s noted that she can generate enough electricity to run a small city, for hours, before even beginning to tire.
A lightning strike is puny in comparison.

However, she can also see electricity perfectly(which is why she by default is an uber hacker) and her control of it is on the level where things like "nonconductive", "faraday cage" or "lightning rod" are completely useless, not even annoyances to her. Remember, she was capable of figuring out how to run her own nervesystem with her power, with only the sideeffect of becoming a walking taser.

She COULD do the same to OTHER people, effectively remote controlling them and electrocuting them at the same time...

Mugino would probably be the easiest to deal with as she tends to underestimate people and rely heavily on her powers.


Yes, but he´s dead the moment she actually hits him with anything. That´s the problem with her, her power is so freaking insanely destructive, remember, even just her mm-thin shield disintegrates metal instantly. It´s even outright stated as "effectively armourpiercing"(though a better translation is likely "armour IGNORING").

Even Sogiita he could probably handle given the guy’s fighting styles.


If it was just a matter of "normal" fighting, oh yes easily. Problem is Sogiita has a bag of tricks to add to the mix that would make some superheroes cry. His abilities are pretty much bullshit hax. >>>"Haratani Yabumi said to Kuroko, regarding Gunha's powers: "What you saw was all just an illusion. It would be better for your mental health if you think of it like that. Maybe...""<<<

The level 5’s who would really give Ranma trouble are Misaki and Kakine


Shokuhou if she was in any way serious would be instant loss for Ranma. She hi-jacks brains as a "ranged attack". And she does it to a level that is beyond belief.

ALL level 5s would be dangerous to him, it´s just that Mugino and Sogiita have psychological exploits that MAY be relatively easy for Ranma to use(although if he messes up and use them in reverse between the two, that would be a craptacular screwup instead, lol), and he MAY be able to figure out the exploits against Accelerator(i wouldn´t bet much on his survival long enough for that though).

It’s more like Accelerator would care as the fact that the Sister’s were so emotionless was one of the ways he rationalized killing them because it allowed him to convince himself that they weren’t human. Them showing a little more emotions could possibly catch him off guard.


Possibly. He rationalized it yes, but it wasn´t until midways in that "experiment" that he really started to get adverse to killing, his background showed a lot of people that almost certainly got killed(because they attacked him one way or another, usually with weapons(IIRC that also includes showing a tank as one of those "weapons"...)).
I was more referring to those setting things up though(ie "controllers"). Some of them would certainly react, but most would likely rationalise it away like they already did.
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