Could the contracts themselves be undermined?

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Re: Could the contracts themselves be undermined?

Postby PCHeintz72 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:19 pm

F_Forward Gone Nuts wrote:Okay, the engagements point might be moot (especially since Ranma actually seems to like it somewhat), but what about the Seppuku contract? That's something I think he'd be much happier without.

I know *I* would not want to repeatedly see my mother enact my ritual suicide and deathblow in her sleep.

I assume Ranma, for that reason alone, would prefer it gone.

There is one interesting story out there that explores it from a comedy standpoint where he tricks his parents into signing a seppuku agreement of their own to be good parents or they will kill themselves... so he can in trun enforce that should they ever call him out on his contract... Even goes into how he will go out of his way to master the Dikube (sp?) to make sure he is ready for the eventuality.

There is another that explores it from a serious standpoint of Nabiki stating it is a premeditated murder attempt to hold in resever to clean their own honor and use Ranma as a scapegoat...

Sadly neither continued...
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Re: Could the contracts themselves be undermined?

Postby mondu_the_fat » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:45 pm

F_Forward Gone Nuts wrote:Okay, the engagements point might be moot (especially since Ranma actually seems to like it somewhat), but what about the Seppuku contract? That's something I think he'd be much happier without.


Yes, he'd want to get rid of it. But he won't simply say "no" and then the contract is null and void. He'd want Nodoka to cancel it herself rather than find a loophole from it.

Why? For the same reason Genma is afraid of Nodoka, despite her not holding a candle to him physically. Seriously, Genma or Ranma could like beat the crap out of Nodoka or something and force her to rescind the contract (as noted by claymade above; challenge her mother to rescind the contract). But they won't. They will, instead, bend backward to fulfill it. Because she's their wife/mom.

If you meant "what if that were actually an alien and not Ranma who made the contract?" Again, it doesn't matter unless Nodoka herself says it doesn't matter. Of course to us or anyone else (including the Tendos), if an alien was the one that made the contract then it doesn't have to be upheld, but to Ranma who is afraid of his mom, its a different thing. Besiedes, the humor is greater when Ranma tries to follow the contract rather then weasel out of it.

The thing you have to understand about these contracts is that they are not legal obligations. They are 100% voluntary, with no force to obey them other than person doing so. They can always say, "this is bullshit, I'm not going through with it" and no one can force them otherwise. But the thing with Nodoka? The moment Ranma heard about it when he was 16, he automatically chose to honor it and it _never_ occurred to him "wait, I was a freaking toddler, I shouldn't go through with this". All that matters to Ranma and Genma is that Nodoka thinks it matters, and thus it is only by Nodoka's decision will the contract be broken.

To put it realistically, when (most of) us were young, we tried our best not to disappoint our mothers. We had no legal obligation to, but when she said we had to keep out grades up we sure darn well tootin did our best. Why? Because its our mom. We didn't want to disappoint her. If an actually an alien or clone that promised high grades, that won't make a difference. Take this sentiment to an extreme in Ranma, where instead of high grades there's the seppuku contract.

Yes, he wants out, but he won't seek nor use any legalese to get out of it, not unless Nodoka allows it. It all boils down to whether Nodoka is reasonable or not. Given the the series is a comedy, likely not. Rule of funny will take precedence over logic.



Incidentally, this is also the reason why Ranma shows occasional fear of Suon's death-head technique. Ranma is obviously far more powerful than Suon and there is no way on earth that Suon can force Ranma to do anything, but Suon is Akane's father (ie, potential father-in-law, not to mention the guy who'm he currently mooching off.) When Suon demands something and uses the death-head (I prefer to think of the death-head technique as a metaphor for righteous indignation), Ranma will very likely obey.
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Re: Could the contracts themselves be undermined?

Postby mondu_the_fat » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:31 pm

F_Forward Gone Nuts wrote:But I'd like to point out that my scenario does have comedic potential. Heck, there's actually a bit of precedent - Ranma set up a fairly grandiose hoax in an attempt to get around the whole Pantyhose-Taro's name shebang. It failed, of course. But it's the thought that counts.



Like Nodoka, the entire debacle completely rested upon Happosai changing his mind. Ranma could institute a weird stunt to get Nodoka to change her mind, but it is still about Nodoka changing her mind, not getting out of a deal using some technicality.
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Re: Could the contracts themselves be undermined?

Postby PCHeintz72 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:35 pm

I think this would in part depend on exactly how the fic is oriented and how Nodoka is portraid...

Personally, I think it could work either way.

Do I think he would go for a cheap gimmic... no, but I can see him taking a method that might outmanuver her...

As was said, it is voluntary, how Ranma goes about this is dependant upon how he views it or if someone explains this fact to him.
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