antimatterenergy wrote:Shampoo is clearly better than Akane though. She has demonstrated more special techniques such as remote control acupuncture, technique like kodachi's with her ribbon though she used noodles, etc.. Danger sense as well but better for instance she deflected multiple knives thrown at her back and in the same move pinned people to the wall with them. The strength noodle arc proved that she was stronger than Akane (at the beginning she beats Akane at arm wrestling), faster than Akane, and she often jumps multi-story jumps instead of only occasionally like Akane (to be fair Akane does jump across an entire room to hit Ranma or get to someone fairly often like Mariko).
This is why she can't swim or cook either; her self-doubt is so powerful it's practically a mental block.
She SHOULD be at Ranma's level, or at least close, but instead she's just better than Akane, who practices martial arts as a hobby.
The battle dogi, however, hints that Akane's potential is higher than even Ranma's skill, even if currently she's nowhere near that max.
If the two dueled again a few years later (assuming Ranma and Akane marry and Ranma helps train her) then I believe Akane would be the victor.
Can jump multi-story (Orachi arc and jumping to the top of the dragon tap from the cave opening in Saffron arc as well as when wearing the super dogi).
This one comment I thought I wanted to expand on.
You are correct. However, it really does not fit with abilities shown elsewhere in series.
She is the only martial artist that grabs a ladder before going to the roof, even late in the series, unless she is climbing from the window onto it.
I think, while she is capable, something holds her back, fear maybe, or insecurity, as such, it is not normally shown.
What is shown though, is she can land from multiple story falls..
antimatterenergy wrote:Nope that isn't the reasons for her not cooking and swimming. The reasons are explained in manga. She can't cook because she doesn't pay attention (such as putting in wrong type of oil), tries to improve the recipe, etc.. She did manage to cook fully edible curry when she took her time, followed the directions, and was careful with the ingredients. Imeadately before the Orachi arc.
antimatterenergy wrote:The reason she can't swim is explained by her not understanding the basic mechanics of swimming, in the manga she states that she thought to swim you have to breathe in a lot of water (and she was serious). Considering the means Miss Hinako and Principal Kuno used when they attempted to teach her this is some what understandable.
antimatterenergy wrote:First Akane practices a lot more than what I considered a hobby at least several hours every single day.
antimatterenergy wrote:Second there is no real reason that Shampoo should be as good as Ranma. Ranma learns at an incredible speed that is unnatural Cologne has been constantly surprised at the speed he learns (like speed he learned hiryu shoten ha and that he figured out the end of the technique when she hadn't told him it) and the speed that he learned the Umisenken surprised everyone he only needed to see it once.
antimatterenergy wrote:Also Genma may have been willing to go to further extremes that Cologne was willing to go to teach Shampoo (for instance wouldn't go to the level of the neko-ken).
antimatterenergy wrote:Also Shampoo was trained in other things than martial arts such as healing (she did work as an assistant to DR tofu), tracking, and magic.
antimatterenergy wrote:I do not see that at all. Ranma was severly limited in that battle he did not try and hit her at all fighting a purely dodging battle, he did not use any ki techniques, and he did not use the full extant of his abilities (Ranma for instance when he wants to moves fast enough that people can't track him).
antimatterenergy wrote:This can not be determined. Shampoo's training and full extant of her abilities are unknown it is entirely possible that she knows the breaking point (her wall breaking could be a variant of it), she could know the Hiryu Shoten Ha (in the battles we saw her fight she never had an opportunity in which to use it -Ranma for instance took her out in seconds and after Ranma, Ryoga, and Akane saw it it would be much harder to use on them since they know enough about it to avoid running in a spiral), she knows hidden weapons as demonstrated by the amount of weapons she used on Ranma while chasing him and pulling out her sword and stick weapons from nowhere, etc... She also knows techniques like instant unconsciousness which she used on Akane and the remote control acupuncture which she used to control Akane like a puppet.
antimatterenergy wrote:Really I see no proof that Shampoo did plateau, her training is unseen, the full extant of her abilities is unknown (only that she doesn't have the same physical abilities and learning speed of Ranma), and we don't know Akane's full training regiment nor the speed in which she can pick up techniques (or how it compares to Shampoo's). Also Shampoo has taken out Akane in seconds every time she wanted to. She took her out in a few seconds when using the remote control acupuncture and when she used the shampoo to erase Ranma from her memory.
psychological issue with cooking (perhaps trying to emulate her mother, or jealousy of Kasumi?) to have to spend so much time and effort to do such a simple dish though.
Thinking that you have to BREATHE water to swim when no one else does that, it's illogical and runs against common sense, and it hasn't been working for her for her entire life seems like good evidence for some kind of mental/psychological block.
Considering the Nekoken has hindered Ranma more than helping him, by giving him a crippling weakness, I wouldn't say that Genma is a better teacher than Cologne.
And he did try to hit Akane; their final fight, he was trying to hit her belt the whole time.
Other than the Umisenken arc (and he never used that technique again), when has Ranma ever "moved so fast that people can't track him"? Not counting the Kachuu Tenshin Amaguriken, since only his arm moves super fast.
The fact that Shampoo is so much weaker than Ranma when she has such a similar background implies that either she has reached some kind of limit or she hasn't been taking her training very seriously.
As for taking out Akane easily, I can think of a counter-example; Shampoo and Akane fought mostly equally when they were both "pumped up" on super soba in the martial arts badmitton match.
I do admit that Shampoo is a good deal better than Akane now, but I maintain that with a confidence-boost and a real trainer (both of which I think she would get in Ranma if he married her), Akane could reach her level fairly quickly.
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