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Postby antimatterenergy » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:07 pm

Saffron's power is so immense already that the amount it is boosted by the Kinjakan is practically insignificant.


In your opinion. In my opinion it made his blasts significantly more powerful. The blasts done without the aid of the staff were not as powerful. Also the full abilities of the staff are never shown it could very well have the power to throw balls of heat. We can't know that since in Saffron's hands it would have just looked as if Saffron alone were throwing them and can't judge by Ranma not throwing balls of cold air since Ranma did not really know how to use the staff (he thought he broke it while it actually turned on) and possibly didn't think of using it in that manner.

Cologne herself calls it the Body of Ice. As for how cold it is, I really think you're overanalyzing everything here. If the Body of Ice generated that much cold, Takahashi would have made it more obvious I think. To survive Saffrons ultimate attack, Ranma had to freeze himself solid with the Gekkaja. Ranma has never done anything even remotely that powerful with the Body of Ice.

As for the phoenix pill, while that did give Ranma extra heat resistance, it only brought his resistance up to his previous limit, because the Full-Body Cat's Tongue was never actually cured.


In the translation I had last looked at it did not have her call it the body of ice. That's one of the problems with reading multiple translations it is hard to keep track as to which one is the one being used. (I've read multiple translations and have started on the original Japanese but that is really slow going for me.)

As for over analysizing isn't that what basically everyone is doing?

Takahashi didn't have any reason to make it obvious, or tell how cold it was except for a comment by Ryoga saying so cold, and she did not go into details with a lot of the things in the manga since it was not needed for the story. Ranma also (as far as we know) has never tried to use the body of ice in any form other than in the Hiryu Shoten Ha, he maybe able to freeze himself solid (though it probably would take longer without the staff and would not have helped him at any other point in the manga - lots of techniques he may know might not have been shown because a situation in which the techniques would benefit him did not appear - like the breaking point Ranma may know it but there was no point in the manga in which it would have benefited him to use it) or use it in other forms if he wanted to we have no way of knowing (personally I'd use it to chill drinks if I had the ability to use it). Though he was frozen when he had Happosai's super cold.

Full body cat tongue was a pressure point. Pressure points wear off. It is possible that the pressure point wore off at some time before the battle with saffron (whether it did or not is unknown).

as long as you aren't a Deamon or Kaiju they will take it as normal.


They may very well not be overly bothered by those showing up after awhile, Taro's cursed form is a Kaiju.
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Postby Spokavriel » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:37 pm

as long as you aren't a Deamon or Kaiju they will take it as normal.

antimatterenergy wrote:They may very well not be overly bothered by those showing up after awhile, Taro's cursed form is a Kaiju.
And do you ever see him treated normally even in Nerima while in his cursed form?
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Postby claymade » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:05 pm

Here's one I'd like to see: Ranma--using the Umisenken--vs. Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece. (The particular draw of that fight, for any who haven't read the second manga, is that in one of the earlier volumes Luffy beats a villain whose fighting style is, basically, the Umisenken. Which makes it interesting how it would go against Ranma.)

Happousai versus Akuma from the Street Fighter games is another one that's been bouncing around my head lately as well. (To make things a little fairer to Happousai it should probably be against Akuma in his self-restricted, "normal" state. If the latter ever decided to unleash his "true" state, it probably wouldn't be much of a contest.)
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Postby Jupiah » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:52 pm

I don't know if that would be much of a fair fight. It's been a while since I read One Piece, but isn't Luffy pretty much invulnerable to bludgeoning damage because of his rubber body? Unless he brought a bladed weapon to the fight, I'd imagine that Ranma would have to get awfully creative to even hurt him.

Maybe Ranma could trick him into tying himself up, knock him into some water, or anger him enough to draw him into a Hiryuu Shouten Ha. Would the White Snake Venom Reliable Fist work do you think? It looks like a piercing technique.

Do you know which volume of One Piece that fight takes place in? I'd like to reread it.

About Akuma; I'm not too knowledgeable about Street Fighter. Just how powerful is his true state, if it can easily defeat even Happosai?
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Postby claymade » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:41 pm

Jupiah wrote:I don't know if that would be much of a fair fight. It's been a while since I read One Piece, but isn't Luffy pretty much invulnerable to bludgeoning damage because of his rubber body? Unless he brought a bladed weapon to the fight, I'd imagine that Ranma would have to get awfully creative to even hurt him.

Indeed, that'd be part of the trick. It would definitely be an uphill battle for Ranma. Although sufficient quantities of blunt force have been known to give Luffy some amount of trouble, I think. The explosions from Don Krieg's battle spear were hurting him--though he still survived an incredible number of hits from it.

Do you know which volume of One Piece that fight takes place in? I'd like to reread it.

Volume 5, I believe.

About Akuma; I'm not too knowledgeable about Street Fighter. Just how powerful is his true state, if it can easily defeat even Happosai?

Pretty monstrous, once he removes those limits. Take a raw destructive power that's at least on par with a fully ascended Saffron (Akuma has both split mountains and destroyed islands with single techniques). Except replace the spoiled princeling with a lifetime of monk-like training dedicated to making himself the ultimate killing machine--punctuated by hunting down the greatest masters in the world and fighting them in deathmatches.

Even in his normal state he's got (among other things) a teleportation-ish warp technique, as well as another attack that's pretty much a guaranteed one-hit kill if it connects--about the only way to defeat it being to momentarily disassociate your soul from your body.

(Another fact that makes a showdown with Happi interesting--supposedly, the pain that that technique causes as you die is directly proportional to the evil in said soul... :shock: )

All in all, he's pretty much just plain inhuman. By the Street Fighter 3 games, it's gotten to the point where his ending shows him doing his training on the ocean floor--no suit or anything--some of his techniques powerful enough to blast sunken ships all the way up to the surface.

Hence why Akuma's normal form would probably give the more interesting fight of the two. The overall draw, though, is the nearly-identical roles that each play in their respective franchises. (Evil grandmaster of the main hero's martial arts style, and continuing antagonist.)
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Postby FriendlyEL » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:47 pm

Speaking crossovers, I started to sort of wonder about a fight between Happosai and Naruto's Orochimaru. I personally feel that the round could go about evenly any way, or at least up until either one runs out of power. Then again, if the fight is in a room full of scantily clothed girls, Happosai could have this hands down. :)
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Postby claymade » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:37 pm

Do you know which volume of One Piece that fight takes place in? I'd like to reread it.

P.S. While I did remember correctly, and the fight itself was in vol. 5, the actual explanation of the move that made me think particularly of the Umisenken ("a technique for undetectable movement") is back in vol. 4.

FriendlyEL wrote:Speaking crossovers, I started to sort of wonder about a fight between Happosai and Naruto's Orochimaru. I personally feel that the round could go about evenly any way, or at least up until either one runs out of power. Then again, if the fight is in a room full of scantily clothed girls, Happosai could have this hands down. :)

With Happousai vs. Orochimaru, I think it would stand or fall largely on whether Happi could break Ori's genjutsu. That seems to be the snake's main strength (which also, come to think of it, would help explain why his performance has been so notably poor against Sharingan wielders).

If Happi can't break it, then Ori's obviously got the match pretty much sewn up. If he can, then I'm having a hard time thinking of to many other jutsu Ori has that would give a small, fast, scurrying yet quite powerful thing like Happi too much trouble. The huge snake summons probably wouldn't do much good, at least.

What about Happousai vs. Jiraiya? Granted, both matchups would be a showdown between old masters with sexual perversions, but Happi's and Ero-Sennin's are the two that seem to be handled more in the "mostly harmless" sense, whereas Orochimaru's tend to fall more into the "reprehensible bastard" category.

And Jiraya seems more the ninjutsu specialist of the Sannin, and he's shown a larger non-genjutsu toolbox to throw at Happi. For instance, if he broke out the Toad Mouth Trap, I don't know if Happi has anything on the level of Amaterasu to save his neck...

Hmmm... What about Happi vs. the Third Hokage?
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Postby Jupiah » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:46 pm

claymade wrote:With Happousai vs. Orochimaru, I think it would stand or fall largely on whether Happi could break Ori's genjutsu.

If Orochimaru knows about Happosai's perversion, he would simply trap Happosai in a genjutsu filled with lingerie and pretty girls. Happosai wouldn't want to break free from that. Orochimaru would win the fight easily.

That's the problem with most of these Happosai vs. Anyone matches. Happosai has an enormous glaring weakness that anyone with half a brain and willing to fight dirty could take advantage of. You pretty much have to specify "no perverted stuff" if you want a fair fight.

Even if Orochimaru didn't know about his weakness, he does know the Wind Release: Great Breakthrough jutsu, which can flatten a huge area with a powerful gust of wind. Sounds like a useful technique for hitting a small, fast scurrying target.

As for Happosai vs. Jiraiya? I'd put my money of Jiraiya any day. Jiraiya has been shown to be ridiculously powerful, especially in his Sage mode, and he's a much better tactician than Happosai. Of course, that's assuming the two of them don't bond through their mutual hobbies and join forces to terrorize the innocent women of the world :D. Although I do find the mental image of Gamabunta fighting Giant Happosai to be an extremely amusing one.

Happi vs. Sarutobi. I'd say Sarutobi is probably more skilled. Although he doesn't use many different jutsu in the manga, he's called the Professor because he is said to have mastered every jutsu in Konoha. It's rather difficult to imagine how a battle between them would go, if only because of the vast number jutsu at his disposal.

Assuming no perverted stuff, I'd bet on Happosai. Sarutobi hasn't aged very well. He's shown to have trouble wielding the Nyoibo because of it's weight during his battle with Orochimaru, and he failed to kill Orochimaru because he ran of chakra. Happosai, in comparison, has aged far better, displaying a virtually inexhaustible supply of stamina and ki. Assuming Sarutobi doesn't pull the Dead Demon Imprisonment Seal on him, it would probably come down to a battle of attrition, with Happosai outlasting the Third Hokage.
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Postby claymade » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:34 pm

Jupiah wrote:If Orochimaru knows about Happosai's perversion, he would simply trap Happosai in a genjutsu filled with lingerie and pretty girls. Happosai wouldn't want to break free from that. Orochimaru would win the fight easily.

Right, it'd have to be something like "Happi and Ori meet for the first time out in the forest away from civilization, and get in a fight without knowing anything about each other."

Although even taking that into account, Happi honestly still doesn't strike me as the type with the mental discipline to not get snared by even a "standard" Orochimaru genjutsu. Now Cologne, I could imagine her breaking it, but... it just doesn't strike me as being in Happi's particular area of competence.

Even if Orochimaru didn't know about his weakness, he does know the Wind Release: Great Breakthrough jutsu, which can flatten a huge area with a powerful gust of wind. Sounds like a useful technique for hitting a small, fast scurrying target.

Okay, yeah, I was trying to remember if he'd shown us any "nukes" like that, but I guess I forgot that one. (When does he use that, incidentally? I'm still drawing a blank, and I'm curious where it showed up.)

In such a case, It'd probably come down to a contest of how much damage the attack would do to Happi vs. how many times Ori could pull it off and/or any defensive tactics Happi might be able to take against it.

Agreed on Jiraiya and the Third Lord.
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Postby Jupiah » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:45 pm

claymade wrote:Although even taking that into account, Happi honestly still doesn't strike me as the type with the mental discipline to not get snared by even a "standard" Orochimaru genjutsu. Now Cologne, I could imagine her breaking it, but... it just doesn't strike me as being in Happi's particular area of competence.

I agree, I can't really see Happosai having the mental fortitude to break a genjutsu from someone as powerful as Orochimaru. Or from anyone really. He fell for the Suggestion Incense in canon completely, and that was hardly a convincing illusion. But after thinking about this for a bit, I have to wonder if this would necessarily lose him the fight.

What if Orochimaru used the Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique on Happosai, which causes the victim to experience their worst fears? A world with no pretty girls or lingerie... Happosai would either break completely, or turn into a giant walking engine of destruction and go on a rampage that would make a Bijuu proud. Either that, or he'd explode Deidara-style out of sheer despair. =D


claymade wrote:Okay, yeah, I was trying to remember if he'd shown us any "nukes" like that, but I guess I forgot that one. (When does he use that, incidentally? I'm still drawing a blank, and I'm curious where it showed up.)

You know, now that I've looked for it I can't find it in the manga. It seems he only used in the anime, during the Forest of Death arc. He also has it in several of the video games and the trading card game, and it's pretty common in fanfiction as well because of this.

claymade wrote:In such a case, It'd probably come down to a contest of how much damage the attack would do to Happi vs. how many times Ori could pull it off and/or any defensive tactics Happi might be able to take against it.

The Wind Release Great Breakthrough didn't actually seem to do much damage. It's just an enormously powerful gust of wind. Assuming the victim is a martial artist or ninja, he probably wouldn't be hurt much unless he hit something when thrown or landed badly.

Hmmm, well, when Orochimaru fought the 4-tailed Kyuubi empowered Naruto in volume 33, one of his first attacks was to regurgitate a literal tidal wave of thousands of snakes at him. Naruto blew them all away with his chakra, but I imagine that Happosai would have a bit harder of a time defending against this technique. Would that qualify as a "nuke"?

I've got a question. Earlier you said that Orochimaru was a genjutsu expert. I just accepted it at the time as it makes sense (Jiraiya is a ninjutsu expert, and Tsunade is good at Taijutsu) but after looking through a few of his fights in the manga again, I'm not seeing it. When is he ever shown to use genjutsu? He seems to be a summoning, sealing and body-modification specialist to me.
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Postby claymade » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:57 pm

Jupiah wrote:What if Orochimaru used the Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique on Happosai, which causes the victim to experience their worst fears? A world with no pretty girls or lingerie... Happosai would either break completely, or turn into a giant walking engine of destruction and go on a rampage that would make a Bijuu proud. Either that, or he'd explode Deidara-style out of sheer despair. =D

Heh heh heh... Any of which would be hilarious... :)

Hmmm, well, when Orochimaru fought the 4-tailed Kyuubi empowered Naruto in volume 33, one of his first attacks was to regurgitate a literal tidal wave of thousands of snakes at him. Naruto blew them all away with his chakra, but I imagine that Happosai would have a bit harder of a time defending against this technique. Would that qualify as a "nuke"?

Could be--it certainly sounds like a good chance, in any case.

I've got a question. Earlier you said that Orochimaru was a genjutsu expert. I just accepted it at the time as it makes sense (Jiraiya is a ninjutsu expert, and Tsunade is good at Taijutsu) but after looking through a few of his fights in the manga again, I'm not seeing it. When is he ever shown to use genjutsu? He seems to be a summoning, sealing and body-modification specialist to me.

Summoning doesn't seem to be a specialty to me--as Jiraiya said, it takes loads and loads of chakra, and not much else. As seen by the fact that all three Sannin have their own uber-summons.

And sealing definitely doesn't seem to be a specialty of his--heck Jiraiya recognized the seal he'd put on Naruto specifically by how coarse the formula on it was.

And while he does do some body-mods, the one thing I can remember people being truly awed by is his genjutsu. To compare, in terms of pure casting genjutsu, even Itachi seems to need eye-to-eye or eye-to-finger contact in order to make it work. But Orochimaru, IIRC, nails Kakashi with a genjutsu, while walking away, with his back to him, while Kakahshi has his Sharingan activated.

Which--quite appropriately--scares the living crap out of the latter.
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Postby Jupiah » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:31 pm

claymade wrote:sealing definitely doesn't seem to be a specialty of his--heck Jiraiya recognized the seal he'd put on Naruto specifically by how coarse the formula on it was.

To be fair, Jiraiya called Orochimaru's Five Part Seal "rough" in comparison to the original Two Four Seals placed on Naruto by the Fourth Hokage. Having your seal called merely rough by the one of the greatest sealing experts in the world, in comparison to the work of his genius student, would be seen as OMG amazing to most anyone else.

If nothing else, I'd say that his inventing the Cursed Seals qualifies him as a sealing expert.

claymade wrote:And while he does do some body-mods, the one thing I can remember people being truly awed by is his genjutsu. To compare, in terms of pure casting genjutsu, even Itachi seems to need eye-to-eye or eye-to-finger contact in order to make it work. But Orochimaru, IIRC, nails Kakashi with a genjutsu, while walking away, with his back to him, while Kakashi has his Sharingan activated.

Which--quite appropriately--scares the living crap out of the latter.

What volume does this take place in? I don't remember it. It seems rather odd to me that he never uses genjutsu in battle if he's really so freakin' amazing at it.

As for the body-mods, I was rather awed by them. Orochimaru can transform his body into a swarm of snakes, transform into a giant white snake, and regenerate his entire body by shedding his skin practically at will. 4-tail Kyuubi form Naruto literally tore Orochimaru in half at the waist, and Orochimaru practically laughed it off. He takes over other people's bodies. His dead flesh was able to regenerate after being absorbed into Sasuke's body. None of these seem to be jutsu either, but rather natural abilities he acquired through kinjutsu experimentation. The guy is harder to kill than Happosai. That's damn amazing.
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Postby claymade » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:12 pm

Jupiah wrote:To be fair, Jiraiya called Orochimaru's Five Part Seal "rough" in comparison to the original Two Four Seals placed on Naruto by the Fourth Hokage. Having your seal called merely rough by the one of the greatest sealing experts in the world, in comparison to the work of his genius student, would be seen as OMG amazing to most anyone else.

[edit: removed the results of my truly stupid brain fart]

In any case, the objective measure isn't really the point. Yes, these are the Sannin. Yes, any of their weakest of the three disciplines is probably going to be stronger than most other ninja's. But in terms of determining what a person specializes in, the best comparison is to one's peers--and to have a fellow Sannin say "oh, look what a rough work this is, I bet Orry did it" seems pretty damning.

If nothing else, I'd say that his inventing the Cursed Seals qualifies him as a sealing expert.

*shrugs* We don't really know how expert such an achievement is, especially since he had Juugo's body to crib off of. Really, for all we know, it may be more a matter of Orry just not caring about the 9/10ths mortality rate among his subordinates, rather than any particular awesomeness about the seal work.

What volume does this take place in? I don't remember it. It seems rather odd to me that he never uses genjutsu in battle if he's really so freakin' amazing at it.

It's when he shows up to rattle Kakashi's cage after Kakashi has finished sealing Sasuke's curse seal after the first elimination round of the chunin exams. Don't know the exact volume; I don't have them on hand, and am going from memory.

He also terrifies Sasuke in the forest of death with his genjutsu as well. As for not using it more--well, like I said, a lot of the rest of the time, he's matched up against foes who one would expect to be extra, extra ridiculously-awesome at breaking genjutsu.

A genjutsu focus would explain why he gets his ass handed to him royally by Itachi (and a more developed Sasuke) whereas Itachi is much more wary of Jiraiya. Similarly, as you yourself mention, the Third's exact weakness lay in depleting his stamina--not in Orry trying to match "The Professor" in headgames.
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Re: Ranma fights that would be fun to see

Postby PCHeintz72 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:25 pm

Hmmm... Fights I'd like to see...


Ranma vs. either Yomiko Readman or Nancy from Read or Die, ore even the paper sisters

Tsuruko from Love Hina vs. The head security guard Konoe from Hanaukyo Maid Team La Verite.

Ranma vs. Revy from black Lagoon

Ranma vs. Kaze from Kaze no Stigma

Revy or Raoberta from Black Lagoon vs. either main character from Hidan no Aria

Nanoha (good girl law enforcement from corrupt planet) vs. Sailor Moon (good girl but vigilante justice)

Shana from Shakugan no Shana vs. Lina Inverse

Ranma vs. Suki from Sukeban Deka

Tenchi vs. Ryoko Mitsurugi in Real Bout High School

Suu from Love Hina vs Washu (Washu handicapped to same tech level as Suu)

Haruhi Suzimiya vs I believe the main character from Kami-cho

Main gal from Ufo Princess Valkyrie vs. Nanoha

Queen Emeraldas vs Revy or Roberta
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