antimatterenergy wrote:I figure Herb would win. Herb is a much better fighter than Saffron and if Herb gets close enough to Saffron he'd would tear Saffron to pieces. Herb has more techniques and assuming Saffron does not have the fire staff Herb will win.
Herb is a better fighter, I'll grant you that, and I think he would win if he could get close, but I doubt Saffron would give him that opportunity. Saffron is a ranged fighter. Ranma only managed to get close because he trapped Saffron inside a Hiryuu Shouten Ha, and if this battle is taking place after Jusendo then I doubt Saffron will fall for that technique again.
I don't see how the having the Kinjakan would make that big of a difference. There is no evidence that it boosts Saffrons power by any significant amount. He needed it to fight Ranma only because Ranma was using the Gekkaja.
The Kinjakan and Gekkaja mirror each other, perfectly reflecting the others attack. He needed the fire staff only to
cancel the advantage Ranma gained from using the ice staff, not to gain more power for himself.
antimatterenergy wrote:I disagree with that. Even though Saffron thinks that Akane shielded Ranma because he couldn't conceive a lowly mortal surviving his blast. The flames still covered Ranma and left him in a crater and he did take Saffron's blasts earlier. I think that Saffron said that because he couldn't think of another possible way Ranma could have survived.
They make it very clear that Ranma was only standing after that fireball because of Akane. Ranma points out in shock that her body has gotten much hotter. They spend an
entire page explaining exactly how she protected him. They flames did still hit him, but Akane had absorbed most of the heat from them. Yes, he did take the blast immediately before that one without using her as a shield, but he was also still wielding the Gekkaja at that point. For you to claim he would have survived that fireball relatively uninjured without her help is a bit odd, in light of all that evidence. I suppose he
might have survived it, but he wouldn't have been in any condition to continue fighting.
antimatterenergy wrote:Ranma has withstood high temperatures before Ashura and when Happosai gave him a cold.
Neither Rouge nor Happosai's 'super-cold' could
melt rock into lava. Saffron's fire could. Saffron is on a whole other level of heat than Rouge is. Saying that Ranma could survive Saffron's fireball because he survived Rouge's is like saying he could survive standing in a blast furnace because he once stood on a campfire.
antimatterenergy wrote:Ranma also has a technique that generates cold - the one he uses with the Hiryu Shoten Ha to the point that Ryoga said so cold which also would have helped shield Ranma.
That technique is called the 'Body of Ice'. Ryoga may have been chilled by that technique, but thats all. Ranma didn't freeze water vapor or create ice, so it wasn't that powerful; just enough to set up a temperature differential for the Hiryuu Shouten Ha. He may very well have been employing that technique the entire battle with Saffron in order to fight within the fire tornado (although there is no evidence he was actually doing so) but it wouldn't have protected him from a direct blast from one of Saffron's fireballs.
antimatterenergy wrote:Also if your judging it by the line which Ranma says Akane why I'm supposed to be saving you the text translation doesn't say that it just has ranma say "Akane!" then commenting about her eyes closing which I'm pretty sure is what the original says I'd check but I don't have it on me. .
I'm not saying Akane protected him because of that line. I'm saying it because she clearly
did protect him,
twice, and from the page long conversation explaining how she did it.
antimatterenergy wrote:While the ki blasts are mostly concussive force their is a heat element to them as well.
I know that ki blasts contain some amount of heat (sorry if I didn't make that clear), I was arguing because Spokavriel spoke as if that all that Herbs ki blasts are comprised of. Even if the heat wouldn't affect Saffron, the concussive force still would.