[Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

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[Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby WG_Writer » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:18 am

I was chatting with <Belgarion213> <Arkeus> and <The_Ero-Sennin> and threw out the idea of Ranma having a Pactio with Eva, this lead to a discussion of points, unfortunately I was unable to put my idea into a proper whole so I am throwing it here for general comments on the idea as an idea, it is not a fic with a plot, or a purpose yet, just a collection of points of how it "could happen" and problems with implementation.

Potential Plot lead up points:

1. Ranma makes a Pactio is with Eva. And Ranma is never told what it meant (Genma tried stealing something valuable early in the training trip from an Eva on a mission and got caught.) Eva tricked both into the Pacto without explaining it beyond that it means nothing now but will in the future. Genma then remembers the word Pacto later (from training under Happosai, and its conentations towards marrage)

2. Shortly before Negi appears due to increasing problems Eva needed Ranma so she sent Chachamaru to fetch him, Basically she is starting to have abandonment issues in force and while she would never admit it wants someone to depend on that is not a doll.

3. The Amazon Village event and Jusenkyo took place as per Canon

4. Ranma arrives at the school escorted by Chachamaru, having been intercepted upon entering Japan (Eva had left a "spell" on Genma (a lie based on restrictions on her, but he didn't know that. It was actually a pressurepoint to make good food taste bad. she demonstrated it so she left the impression she could do it at whim.) and he was paranoid.) he knew where they were going so he went to his friend for help.

5. Ranma gets roped into a body guard job (Pactio) and the headmaster insists on a cover (a ring that will lock the curse female, but only for 12 hours then it needs to be recharge (This mechanic is to be used as a mechanic that will be for plot purposes and typical humor), unless hit with strong magic (Negi) then its legnth is chaotic and unremovable (at first, again for humor)

6. Ranma gets the cover identity of "Ranko Konton" (Konton means Chaos and so does Ranma, so it fits, not using Saotome as there is a girl in class who has that clan name)

7. Ranma's Pactio object is a 'Choker' with a bell in the center (like a cat's collar) and when desired it can be rung to 'Summon' Giant Cats. Also he gets bracers and gauntlets in combat form to invoke the neko-ken along with cat ears and tail (Chachamaru does too as is) (this is due to Pactio reflecting the soul).


problems i have/found:

1. From what I do know of Negima it is fairly Linear, meaning that going AU while possible would rewrite almost everything.

2. Eva will need a good reason for Pactio with Ranma

3. While my plot points specify pre canon Ranma this will leave him weaker, and I fear giving him magic instead of his typical skill set will make him too much an OC, while post canon would make him harder to control for Eva and cause him to be to "attached" to Nerima.

4. Why would Ranma go with Chachamaru? or would she just cold clock him (could she?) and haul him off? (Genma Style)

5. Is there any meaning behind any of the information on the Pactio cards? Because I am clueless as to what it would be for Ranma.


(I would have put this in the idea's section but the lack of actual plot kinda precludes that)


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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby Spokavriel » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:11 am

What about a later divergence? Not the end of Ranma but how about during the locking ladle incident? What if instead of a curse locking item the ring is able to override the lock?

And if the timing is right the Summons might make it impossible for Ranma-chan to catch up to the musk. Her group doesn't catch up then neither Mousse and Ryouga have their idiotic mistake locking themselves.

That would leave Ranma needing other means to become male again or at least in finding the Musk. I doubt they would leave the kettle behind.
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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby Fitzgerald » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:42 am

Couple quick points to make.

1) Eva's an Aikido Grand-master: Obvious tie in is that Genma took Ranma to fight / train Evangeline some time in the past, and promptly proceeded to create an obligation, debt, or rivalry of some sort.

This creates a typical Ranma setup.... Anything Goes practitioner meets other martial artist, hijinks and large food/drink tab occurs, and said Martial Artist or their family tracks them down to pay up.

2) Steal parts from other Ranma/Negima fics. Both Saotome's have fairly strong magical potential, by performing a Pactio Evangeline get's to siphon off their magical power to store up for later (perhaps powering her training world in a bottle). Thus providing Eva with an incentive to pactio with them.

3) Post Canon Ranma is bloody easy to manipulate into shifting over to the Negima setup.

a) Chachamaru show's up with an evil gloating letter from Evangeline pointing out he's never going to cured as is.... However she is a very powerful mage, but her help doesn't come cheap.

b) Kanto Mage Association decides that after Jusendo enough's enough, and that after destroying another mountain it's time to get the trouble maker's somewhere much more discrete and less public being Mahora. Incentives are offered etc. Genma and Soun agree thinking it's only Ranma and Akane being shipped out (on someone else's dime at that!)

4) Ranma's older than the Negima crew, why not play that up a fair bit. Have him be a "Sempai" to the Jr High fight club etc. The older, but not too much older cool kid to crush on.

5) Ranma causing Evangeline problem's is 3/4 of the fun. As in Ranma is down right difficult to control, a terrible tease and difficult as herding cats when he's feeling stubborn.

Include comedy Ice blasts. Plenty of comedy ice blasts.

Completely destroy the whole "magical world is secret" for comedy sake. See Blackdragon's Rosario/Ranma cross.

Have 2-A assume Evangeline's utter Tsundere over Ranma since she keeps blasting him with magical ice, and yet he keep's showing up teasing her and doing errands for her.

Oh and completely drop the whole Ranko Konton thing, ick. It annoy's me to no end already, going with Ranma Saotome is easy enough.


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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby Spokavriel » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:32 am

Forget the mountain. Ranma committed an act of war against a magical immortal who is head of a magical tribe that if even seen in the modern world would undermine their ability to keep secrecy. And I can't remember if it is shown but something makes me think Saffron is able to remember those who have attempted to or succeeded in killing him.
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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby WG_Writer » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:44 pm

Thoes are good points to consider, however if I write this I would feel better about messing with the Ranma timeline and putting him in 2A as a student... but... meh
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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby Lioconvoy » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:32 pm

Couldn't you just say after the mushroom arc Ranma never got the right mushroom to return to his proper age and had to settle for a middle school age if he didn't want to be five years old?
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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby Fitzgerald » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:46 am

WarGiver wrote:Thoes are good points to consider, however if I write this I would feel better about messing with the Ranma timeline and putting him in 2A as a student... but... meh


That or just have Ranma test into 2-A, at least 2 years below where he should be. Mahora after is supposed to be an elite elevator school. A "What do mean I only tested into Junior High!! reaction shot should be pretty funny.

The main objection I have story wise with a Ranma in 2-A is: Dilution of the Ranma - Evangeline relationship.

Instead of Ranma-Eva being the focus, my concern would be that dynamic would quickly be subsumed into the antics of, & 30+ characters of 2-A.

Using a food analogy it's the difference between focusing on 2-3 ingredients and their flavors, and tossing a whole boat load of items into a pot.

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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby Spokavriel » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:19 am

Wait, How about a form of Witness protection along with trying to secure the Secrecy? Have the Mages back the Martial Artists into a choice of making use of the mushrooms or being hunted the rest of their lives however short magic can make it to protect the secrets.

Maybe even have Nodoka also end up the Nodoka in Negi's class? There are so many ways to mess things up for the Nerimans.
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Re: [Ranma/Negima] Pactio idea

Postby Lioconvoy » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:24 pm

...You post made me think it might be a time travel story. I'm mean if Nodoka isn't going to be young you might as well have Genma somewhere on the male side. You could have Nodoka use and artifact to send Ranma into the past to fullfill a pardox.
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