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Postby deathgeonous » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:22 pm

Ok, now the sister of a Ruling Queen is a Princess, right? So is the daughter of a Princess a Princess? Does anyone know? I tried ask.com but all they gave me was Princess Bios. Thanks for any help.
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Postby Zwzn » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:22 pm

deathgeonous wrote:Ok, now the sister of a Ruling Queen is a Princess, right? So is the daughter of a Princess a Princess? Does anyone know? I tried ask.com but all they gave me was Princess Bios. Thanks for any help.
As far as I know you can only be a prince/princess if at least one of your parents is a king or queen. There may be something I am missing, but that is the normal way I think. This is why I always wonder where the other queens and or kings are in sailor moon. I have only heard two talked about(Tuxies dad and Moonies mom).
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Postby J. St.C. Patrick » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:42 pm

Ok, now the sister of a Ruling Queen is a Princess, right?

In British Royalty, yes, provided their parent was the ruling King or Queen.
So is the daughter of a Princess a Princess?

Yes. When Queen Elizabeth II was still Princess Elizabeth she gave birth to Princess Anne.
However, Princess Anne's daughter is not a Princess because Anne and Mark decided to decline the title.
The Daughters of her Brothers, Andrew and Edward, are Princesses, and heirs to Earldoms.
Does anyone know? I tried ask.com but all they gave me was Princess Bios. Thanks for any help.

You could peruse Wikipedia's entry on Prince Here
and follow the links for the British Royal Family.
Such as this one on
Lady Louise Windsor Prince Edward's daughter.
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Postby deathgeonous » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:00 am

Thanks J. St.C. Patrick. I needed that info.
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Postby iiradned » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:14 am

In the British system, the children's titles if any are based on those of the father. Thus the children Queen Elizabeth's sister Margaret are not styled as Prince or Princess since their father is not a prince and only made an Earl upon his marriage to Princess Margaret.
With Princess Anne's children, it was her and her first husband's decision to decline a title for himself and their children.
The following is a detailed FAQ on British royal and noble families.
http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq.html
And here is another more genralized FAQ.
http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/atrfaq.html
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Postby lwf58 » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:53 am

If I'm understanding your question correctly....
The sons and daughters of a monarch are princes and princesses. The sons and daughters of princes and princesses also have that rank. Princely rank only goes to the direct succession. The term "crown prince/princess" simply means that the person is the official heir to the throne.
But if you stray from the direct lineage, they do not. The queen or king's great-uncles, great-aunts, and cousins are grand dukes/dukes and grand duchesses/duchesses. Their children have lesser ranks.
Princely rank is lower than grand duke/duchess. That means the kids can't get snotty with their elders with official backing. ^_-
Also, there are some countries like Monaco where the highest rank is the prince. Usually, it's because the area carries the historic designation of "princedom", and is a city-state or very small region.
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Postby Screwball » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:56 pm

Also, in the Russian system, as I understand it, the title of prince was not associated with direct familial relation with the Tsar. Hence, Prince Lvov, who was not, I belive, a direct royal relative, and Grand Duke Mikhail, who was the third son of of the Tsarevich Alexander, and therefore a direct relative of the Tsar, and able to inherit (he was offered the throne after Nicholas abdicated, but turned it down), but not a prince.
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Postby Hazard » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:36 pm

The Dutch system is similar, though you shouldn't quote me on this, Royal titles are mainly determined by how many bloodlinks you directly have to the ruling monarch. I believe the maximum is three, after wich you either aren't nobility at all or are bestowed such a rank.
Unless I'm mistaken this means that the Queens nephews and nieces are royalty, but their children are not.
This of course goes for bloodline, one can only become royalty through marriage by marrying closer, a single link I believe.
As I said before however, it's quite possible I'm mistaken, I'm no Royalist.
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