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Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:06 am
by Atlan
I've only seen SM during the Beryl arc, so I need a hand here.
According to what I heard (in fics), In the Galaxia arc, two of the outers pretended to work for Galaxia, killed two other senshi, and it turned out that Galaxia was never fooled.
My question: Did this really happen, and if so who were the Senshi who pretended to turn, and who died?

Re: Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:10 am
by P.H. Wise
Atlan wrote:I've only seen SM during the Beryl arc, so I need a hand here.
According to what I heard (in fics), In the Galaxia arc, two of the outers pretended to work for Galaxia, killed two other senshi, and it turned out that Galaxia was never fooled.
My question: Did this really happen, and if so who were the Senshi who pretended to turn, and who died?

Uranus and Neptune pretended to work for Galaxia, and took the star-seeds of Pluto and Saturn in order to convince Galaxia. As far as Galaxia being convinced or no, she did seem to be pretty well amazed when Uranus and Neptune turned and blasted her with her own weapons. The only reason it did not work is that Galaxia had lost her star seed long ago (it was the Light of Hope AKA Chibi-Chibi) and was kept alive by the bracers she wore. Against an opponent with no star seed, the attack is ineffective. Galaxia then broke the bracers supporting Uranus and Neptune, and they died reaching for each other, and took each others hand just before they faded away completely (they were resurrected after the whole thing was done by Sailor Moon, though).

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:39 am
by Atlan
Did Saturn and Pluto die then, or did they get their starseeds back?
Oh, and are the aduience showen their planing of this stratergy, or do they only see it as it happens?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:50 am
by Cheb
A moment, plz, I'll exctract the video fragment...
Ok, while VirtualDub does its dirty work, I'll answer some questions.
When the person's Star Seed is taken, the person effectively dies. Just vanishes into thin air.
When Uranus & Neptune pulled their trick, *all* Inners were already killed in this manner. Pluto and Saturn were on their knees, beaten, the Time Staff and Silence Glaive shattered (so, these tools aren't indestructible).
Galaxia admitted that it was *she* who awakened saturn and forced her growth - in order to harvest her Star Seed.
Silence Glaive Surprize proved to be absolutely inefficient against Galaxia -- she was immensely more powerful than saturn.
The animamates (including Galaxia) are held on this plane of existence only by Galaxia's bracers. When re took these from sailor Iron Mouse, Sailor Iron Mouse evaporated. I.e. animamates are, you can say, zombies.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:06 am
by Cheb
Should I upload all four closing TV episodes? (though I'd have to compress them badly).
P.S. Of course, being animamates themselves, Uranus and Neptune evaporated too -- galaxia punished their betrayal by taking their bracers. See the video fragment below... [taps his foot impatiently, looking at the barely crawling progress bar] And I need more horse powers in my PC.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:15 am
by Atlan
No, it should be Ok.
Just to clear up the last few deteals, Uranus and Neptune killed all the rest of the senshi in order to get a good shot at Galaxia, right? Where was Usagi in this? Did she get killed as well?
And afterwards, does anyone say anything to Uranus and Neptune, like "Why the hell did you kill us?" or "Arnt you even going to say sorry?"
...Did those two appoligise?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:33 am
by Cheb
See clip #1: Uranus &Neptune's failed coup (20Mb) http://host-17-99.imsys.net/_share/_004 ... lip_00.avi
No, the rest was killed by Galaxia personally.
Where was Usagi in this? Did she get killed as well?

No, she was staying aside holding Chibi-Chibi. She was effectively powerless, since galaxia broke her weapon, the Eternal Tier.
And afterwards, does anyone say anything to Uranus and Neptune, like "Why the hell did you kill us?" or "Arnt you even going to say sorry?"

A moment, I'll give you the exact words. The subs are imbedded, so I have to type them manually, can take some time.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:58 am
by Cheb
Ok, for now Clip from ep.198 (the failed coup). The scene from 197 will be next.
G: Oh my, I didn't expect that someone couldn't be controlled by my bracelets! It's the first time I've seen such soldiers in this galaxy!
U: She doesn't have a Star Seed?
N: ... [falls to her knees]
G: Not only stealing your nakama's Star Seeds but also ready to die, you pretended to be my soldiers while looking for an opening? [smiles] Oh my, I was deceived all right! [laughs] What a surprise! I enjoy you people of this planet!
U: ... [shakes in powerless fury]
N: It looks like the end.
U: We no longer have wings to fly freely in the blue sky! We've dirtied our hands with the blood of betrayal...
N: I know...
G: Everything was futile, wasn't it? [dispels the bracers on their arms]
U: ...or the beaks to pick our own flesh?
N: I can endure anything with you, even being burned by the fires of Hell...
U: Hell? It doesn't suit you...
N: I don't regret it...
SM: Why? Why did you such a thing?
U: [collapses] Because it is our way...
N: [collapses] The cross that was assigned to us as soldiers...
SM: That's... That's terrible! Since you didn't tell us I thought that you two really had become our enemies and doubted your friendship. I didn't believe you until the very end! [tears flowing]

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:04 am
by Atlan
Whoa....
What happened to the starlights, in the end?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:11 am
by Cheb
Beaten but alive, they witnessed SM's final confrontation.
Are you *sure* you don't want me to upload all 4 last episodes? It would take me only a couple hours to encode (in automatic mode) and you a few hours to download. I can boil it down to about 60Mb/episode.
The betrayal (20Mb, whole story):
http://host-17-99.imsys.net/_share/_004 ... lip_00.avi

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:16 am
by Atlan
Cool. Thanks for all that.
The point of all this is for a story i'm working on.
The basic premise (at least the part that involes SM) is that Hakura and Neptune split up, and Hakura moves to America. I'm trying to figure out how their betrayel happened, so that I can have them fight about it.
So, I should be OK without anymore uploads. But thanks a bunch.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:24 am
by DCG
oy, pointless drama and screwed up plot the messed up the plot lines for all the years before it.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:45 am
by Dumbledork
Just one question. It's been about 10 years since I read the manga and at least 8 since I last watched the anime (and I don't intend to ever read the manga or watch the anime again as I'm only interested in the series because of the crossovers with Ranma) and I'd like to know if the sailor stars arc happened exactly the same way in the manga and in the anime.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:19 am
by Seraphim
Dumbledork wrote:Just one question. It's been about 10 years since I read the manga and at least 8 since I last watched the anime (and I don't intend to ever read the manga or watch the anime again as I'm only interested in the series because of the crossovers with Ranma) and I'd like to know if the sailor stars arc happened exactly the same way in the manga and in the anime.

Well, if you want to know what happened in the manga here you go....
U/N/P went to thier respective castles (to raise a system-wide shield), get offed by Galaxia, Hotaru 'ports to Pluto, gets offed too.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:55 am
by Dumbledork
^_^ precise, concise and straight to the point just how I like it. Thx