Plutos death and Saturns age?

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Plutos death and Saturns age?

Postby EdenB » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:23 pm

Does anyone know how Pluto returned from death or how she avoided dying near the end of Sailor Moon S? I've heard that it was explained in the manga how she returned in StarS, but it wasn't mentioned in the anime.
Also, does anyone know how old Hotaru's physical age was when she stopped growing in StarS and what it was before the end of S?
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Postby Sailor Sedai (Ellf) » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:32 pm

To be honest, the Pluto that died at the end of Sailor Moon S was a different Pluto than was in Stars. Pluto was finally reincarnated after her death when she stopped time. Setsuna Meiou became the new Pluto.
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Re: Plutos death and Saturns age?

Postby Zwzn » Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:16 pm

EdenB wrote: Does anyone know how Pluto returned from death or how she avoided dying near the end of Sailor Moon S? I've heard that it was explained in the manga how she returned in StarS, but it wasn't mentioned in the anime.
We never actually see her die in season 3(S) when she "stopped" time. She may not have actually died. She also summons the talismans for Urasnus and Neptune shortly after, but she is unseen. At the end of S she appears to Chibi-Usa in the form of some sort of projection, and basicly tells Chibi-Usa that Hotaru is fine. Then she appears in the SuperS movie with Uranus and Neptune in order to help the inners.
Pluto seems to have some sort of ability to control Luna-P. This is never actually stated as far as I can remember.
EdenB wrote:Also, does anyone know how old Hotaru's physical age was when she stopped growing in StarS and what it was before the end of S?
It is impossible to say how old Hotaru is during S for certain. What we can be certain of is that she is older then Chibi-Usa's apparent age(likely a couple years), and she is likely younger then the inners.
After Hotaru's growth spurt she looks to be about Chibi-Usa's apparent age.
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Postby Zwzn » Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:52 pm

Sailor Sedai (Ellf) wrote:To be honest, the Pluto that died at the end of Sailor Moon S was a different Pluto than was in Stars. Pluto was finally reincarnated after her death when she stopped time. Setsuna Meiou became the new Pluto.
Where is the evidence of this?
Arer you talking about anime or manga?
It would make more sense for her to be the same Pluto reborn in a possible future, but then again I believe the Stars anime take place in a different universe then the rest of the anime.
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Postby Lioconvoy » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:11 pm

Zwzn wrote: but then again I believe the Stars anime take place in a different universe then the rest of the anime.

Um, as far as I know Stars is apart of the same universe as the rest of Anime. What makes you think it's not?
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Postby Zwzn » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:03 pm

Lioconvoy wrote:
Zwzn wrote: but then again I believe the Stars anime take place in a different universe then the rest of the anime.

Um, as far as I know Stars is apart of the same universe as the rest of Anime. What makes you think it's not?
It contradicts events season 1, 2(R), 3(S), and the SuperS movie.
The nature of how the silver crystal worked was changed.
Season 1:
The rainbow crystal arc proves the silver crystal is not a part of Usagi. The fact that using the silver crystal at full power kills the user.
Usagi with the crystal was not powerful enough to beat Beryl by her self.
Season 2(R):
Chibi-Usa took the silver crystal from Usagi with no ill affects to Usagi in both the present and future.
Usagi was unable to defeat Death Phantom without help from all the inner senshi and a second silver crystal.
Season 3(S):
Usagi's broach is damaged and she detransformed.
The silver crystal stopped shining/glowing.
Hotau/Saturn died on screen fighting Misstress9, and retained her memories. Hotau/Saturn in baby form showed signs of retaining her memories at the end of S.
It is shown that Moon uses the senshi as batteries to power her self.
Moon was useless against P90.
Saturn is the sovreign/messiah.
Note: the word sovreign actually fits what the death busters and outer senshi where looking for better then the word messiah acording to my dictionary & thesaurus.
SuperS movie:
Uranus & Neptune workeed with Pluto during the movie. U & N seemed shocked to see Pluto alive in stars.
I would not be shocked if there where more things I missed.
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Postby Pale Wolf » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:29 pm

The rainbow crystal arc proves the silver crystal is not a part of Usagi.

I've heard that that arc was actually based on an incorrect understanding of the SC when they made it anime.
Uranus & Neptune workeed with Pluto during the movie. U & N seemed shocked to see Pluto alive in stars.

That's because the movies generally happen during the season and not after it, if I remember right.
You've gotta tell us how these events are contradicted by Stars, otherwise we're stuck making guesses to help reconcile it all.
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Postby DCG » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:30 pm

The plots one big mess.
Just take from it what you will.
Nothing is really cannon about the crystal or moon.
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Postby Zwzn » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:45 pm

Zwzn wrote: The rainbow crystal arc proves the silver crystal is not a part of Usagi.

Pale Wolf wrote: I've heard that that arc was actually based on an incorrect understanding of the SC when they made it anime.
I thought they made the rainbow crystal arc because they needed more eps.? My understanding was that Sailor Moon was only suppose to go to R originally.
Zwzn wrote:Uranus & Neptune workeed with Pluto during the movie. U & N seemed shocked to see Pluto alive in stars.

Pale Wolf wrote: That's because the movies generally happen during the season and not after it, if I remember right.
The SuperS movie was the only Sailor Moon movie to take place after the season. It would have taken place before Stars. U&N should not be suprised to see Pluto.
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Postby Pale Wolf » Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:17 pm

I thought they made the rainbow crystal arc because they needed more eps.? My understanding was that Sailor Moon was only suppose to go to R originally.

Well, the reason that they made the arc and the information that the arc was based on are not necessarily the same thing...
The SuperS movie was the only Sailor Moon movie to take place after the season. It would have taken place before Stars. U&N should not be suprised to see Pluto.

Ah, I thought you meant the S movie. Well, I haven't seen the SuperS one, so I guess I'll take your word for it that they worked with Pluto.
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Postby Zwzn » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:38 pm

Zwzn wrote: I thought they made the rainbow crystal arc because they needed more eps.? My understanding was that Sailor Moon was only suppose to go to R originally.

Pale Wolf wrote:Well, the reason that they made the arc and the information that the arc was based on are not necessarily the same thing...
What I am saying is, all the information I have read says Stars was not even thought of when season 1 anime came out.
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