Morality and the TSAB?
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:28 pm
Continuing from the best/worst at being bad to prevent thread-jacking:
Oh, so that's why they just left the Jewel Seeds on Earth instead of sending a cruiser out to make sure they didn't bust up a non-administrated planet, huh?
Gil Graham's only crime was impeding the investigation during the Book of Darkness incident. His plot to seal Hayate and put an end to the Book's rampages is of dubious legality but it would result in one life being sacrificed to save -- potentially -- billions in the future. If nothing else, his intentions were pure and he's no more morally bankrupt than, say, Sailors Uranus and Neptune, and are in line with the bureau's track record of leniency towards those who committed crimes with good intentions or who regret their actions. His status as an admiral had nothing to do with it.
Now Regius and the High Council are another story altogether, and their motives don't excuse their crimes, but none of them were alive to be punished by the time their deeds came to light so you can't say this about them either. When Runessa Magnus -- a TSAB Enforcer, one of their own -- set the Mariage loose on Mid-Childa during Sound Stage X, she goes to prison for it.
Evidence, please.
Repeat of your first point.
By "non-members" I assume you mean planets that aren't a part of the bureau, like Earth? You're repeating yourself again.
Forced conscription is only ever brought up in the first-season novel, which isn't canon so far as I know. Their treatment of former criminals like Fate and the Numbers is an alternative to jail time which none of the villains are forced to take (Fate is mentioned as having been completely pardoned for what she did, and she initially only became a Contract Mage so she'd be able to see Nanoha a little sooner). Lutecia actually refuses that offer after the events of StrikerS and according to SSX she and her mother are living on what is technically a penal colony but what looks more like a vacation world (in point of fact, Nanoha, Vivio, and several of Vivio's friends actually do take a vacation there during the ViVid manga). She's basically imprisoned in name only; she and her mother live in a lakeside vacation lodge, they have no limitations on packages or visitors, and the only restriction placed on Lutecia's movements is that she's not allowed to leave the planet.
And what exactly do the limiters have to do with the grunts? They only get used when high-level mages are working together, partially to dissuade headhunting between units but also to make sure the mages in question don't warp space-time by sheer magical output.
Examples?
PCHeintz72 wrote:Ehhh... Easily... I took notes as I watched all three seasons. And after evaluating a bunch of their decisions and actions... I've come to the conclusion they could care less about anything unless it is in relation to themselves...
Oh, so that's why they just left the Jewel Seeds on Earth instead of sending a cruiser out to make sure they didn't bust up a non-administrated planet, huh?
They are lenient toward their own upper management even when it is known they are doing/have done wrongs
Gil Graham's only crime was impeding the investigation during the Book of Darkness incident. His plot to seal Hayate and put an end to the Book's rampages is of dubious legality but it would result in one life being sacrificed to save -- potentially -- billions in the future. If nothing else, his intentions were pure and he's no more morally bankrupt than, say, Sailors Uranus and Neptune, and are in line with the bureau's track record of leniency towards those who committed crimes with good intentions or who regret their actions. His status as an admiral had nothing to do with it.
Now Regius and the High Council are another story altogether, and their motives don't excuse their crimes, but none of them were alive to be punished by the time their deeds came to light so you can't say this about them either. When Runessa Magnus -- a TSAB Enforcer, one of their own -- set the Mariage loose on Mid-Childa during Sound Stage X, she goes to prison for it.
and are prejudiced toward non-Midchildans.
Evidence, please.
They only get involved in outside events if it affects them.
Repeat of your first point.
They are willing to throw non-members to the wolves and do enforced conscription, and do not care about their own grunts and field agents by enforcing a system of limiters.
By "non-members" I assume you mean planets that aren't a part of the bureau, like Earth? You're repeating yourself again.
Forced conscription is only ever brought up in the first-season novel, which isn't canon so far as I know. Their treatment of former criminals like Fate and the Numbers is an alternative to jail time which none of the villains are forced to take (Fate is mentioned as having been completely pardoned for what she did, and she initially only became a Contract Mage so she'd be able to see Nanoha a little sooner). Lutecia actually refuses that offer after the events of StrikerS and according to SSX she and her mother are living on what is technically a penal colony but what looks more like a vacation world (in point of fact, Nanoha, Vivio, and several of Vivio's friends actually do take a vacation there during the ViVid manga). She's basically imprisoned in name only; she and her mother live in a lakeside vacation lodge, they have no limitations on packages or visitors, and the only restriction placed on Lutecia's movements is that she's not allowed to leave the planet.
And what exactly do the limiters have to do with the grunts? They only get used when high-level mages are working together, partially to dissuade headhunting between units but also to make sure the mages in question don't warp space-time by sheer magical output.
They seem to believe they have jurisdiction no matter where they are, even if they likely do not. They made not one decision I liked in any of the three seasons, and at points actually saw why the bad guys were forced to rebel and sympathized.
Examples?