Half a Timeline - ch1 snippet

[Cheb]

Then prove an example where she wakes in the middle of the night, evah.

Fact #1: Volume 2, right before the introduction of P-chan. Ranma & Ryouga fight, we see Akane and Kasumi awake and alert, thinking it's a burglar. What have awakened them? The noise. Do we see Nabiki? Nope.
Fact #2: Nabiki is dull and frazzled in the mornings.

[LawOhki]

Then prove an example where she wakes in the middle of the night, evah.

Fact #1: Volume 2, right before the introduction of P-chan. Ranma & Ryouga fight, we see Akane and Kasumi awake and alert, thinking it's a burglar. What have awakened them? The noise. Do we see Nabiki? Nope.
Fact #2: Nabiki is dull and frazzled in the mornings.

Fact #1 :Who cares? Maybe she didn't feel the need to get up. You don't see Soun either. This is directly countered by her volunteering to stay up during the Mirror Clone arc to watch Akane monitor the two.

Fact #2: Where? In the anime for the first morning that Ranma/Genma are there she is "frazzled" but if you look in the manga Ranma is just being told about going to school when she's already out the door. And please point to anywhere where coffee is mentioned for her in the morning.

[Cheb]

Um... That was just a figure of speech. Err, yeah. Right. A figure of speech. That's what it was. Of course she doesn't drink any coffee at all.

[Scratx-chan]

All comments are welcome!

[cranks his nitpicking streak up to eleven] Let's begin... Nitpicking like a bulldog -- because if not me then who?

>with knee-length boots and gloves.
Knee-length gloves?

Your nitpicking is epic. I'll take a look.

>The skirt was very short and pitch-black
I don't know why people keep calling Pluto's skirt black. It's very dark green -- unless you changed that on purpose.

*takes a look at the reference picture*

Uhh, I see black... maybe I need a better picture? I should point out the anime (according to wikimoon) also used black, and its own description on the manga costume section basically cites the anime version, plus changes X, Y and Z which are not in any way color related.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see where the green is. Do you have a picture I can look at?

>as she also noticed a girl lying on the floor,
>then practically slammed the closet door shut
>Ranma turned to the fallen girl,
So she poke her head outside she had to, to notice the door was dfifferent from the other side, and only then noticed the girl. This leaves impression that the girl was on the other side which makes the next phrases confusing.

I'm... not sure... did you take those lines from different paragraphs? In any case, Puu is on the non-Corridor of Time side of the door, and made that somewhat clear. Maybe what threw you off was Kasumi noticing the door first? If not, can you be more specific on what made you think I meant Puu was on the other side?

>Pity the hot water will break down for a week.
Uh... will break as in predicting the future? Or "will stay/remain broken"?
I'm not that good with the English verb tenses but I have a nagging suspicion something's wrong here.

Yes. Something is very wrong. For Ranma.

>"Her? Oh, this I got to see. Another fiancee?", Nabiki remarked, before grinning.
She's too awake. First, you need a cannon to wake her, but if that's your authors will that she awoke then at least make her sleepy and slow-witted. Until she had her morning coffee, she's a zombie.

Lawra addressed this already. Fanon on the way out with the garbage. Any fanon I retain is either accidental (because I can't get rid of my own preconceptions entirely formed from years of fic reading... though I'm trying) or I made a conscious choice to keep it for some good reason. And note that accidental fanon for me is Do Not Want. If you find fanon, please point it out to me so I can check if it is As Intended or Damn It All Die Die Die DIIIIE.

(note that if you find a discrepancy from canon, or what you believe to be canon, I'd rather have you speak up than wonder, so thanks for bringing that up anyways)

>Thanks pops, sometimes you're really awesome.
[a heart-felt tear of joy] At last! At last I find an author who respects Genma!

Yep. Genma IS awesome. Sometimes. When he's not drunk with his buddy Soun. Or being a Fail.

>at seeing Soun drooling on his feet,
You'd think he'd be jaded to that by now

Not really, I think. Ranma was shown once early on flashing Soun and eliciting quite a reaction from him, but for the most part Soun was spared nubile female flesh flashing. Very few instances. However, it could be my memory playing tricks so if you could cite some instances where Soun was flashed and his reaction, I'll adjust as adequate.

Thanks for commenting!

[LawOhki]

Um... That was just a figure of speech. Err, yeah. Right. A figure of speech. That's what it was. Of course she doesn't drink any coffee at all.

Never said she doesn't, but please find an instance where she does. Since the fanon specifically revolves around her doing so in the morning, double points for that.

[Cheb]

did you take those lines from different paragraphs?

Yes. To highlight the confusing parts.
>and she idly noted that the door that faced the other side didn't really look like the closet's door, either.
Ah, that's what got me confused. The door is a closet door on one surface but the time gate door on its other surface. Drats.

Do you have a picture I can look at?

Right now, no. I'll have to remember the anime series where Pluto is present and make a screenshot. Maybe tomorrow. But believe me, it's really green. Just a very dark green, almost black.

according to wikimoon

Well, if they wikimoon posters watched it from a VHS tape or a poorly calibrated CRT monitor, the color that dark could have easily been clipped to black.
You probably should just google for "sailor pluto skirt color".
P.S. Drats it says black everywhere and I don't have the anime close at hand

[Scratx-chan]

Yes. To highlight the confusing parts.
>and she idly noted that the door that faced the other side didn't really look like the closet's door, either.
Ah, that's what got me confused. The door is a closet door on one surface but the time gate door on its other surface. Drats.

*nods*

Right now, no. I'll have to remember the anime series where Pluto is present and make a screenshot. Maybe tomorrow. But believe me, it's really green. Just a very dark green, almost black.
*snip quote*
Well, if they wikimoon posters watched it from a VHS tape or a poorly calibrated CRT monitor, the color that dark could have easily been clipped to black.
You probably should just google for "sailor pluto skirt color".
P.S. Drats it says black everywhere and I don't have the anime close at hand

Here, I'll draw a few links since I find myself bored.

From Art Book BSSM Original Picture Collection Vol. IV
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c004/44.html , Black Fuku
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c004/48.html , Black Fuku
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c004/49.html , Weird but black Fuku
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c004/51.html , Fuku looks black to me
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c004/52.html , Not fuku but black too

From Art Book BSSM Original Picture Collection Vol. V
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c005/8.html , Black Fuku
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c005/9.html , Black Fuku
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c005/34.html , Black Fuku
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/sailor_moon/vA/c005/47.html , Black Fuku

From The Internet

http://tachiik.deviantart.com/art/Pluto-Chibi-69856754 , Green Fuku
http://ewellclay.deviantart.com/art/Sailor-Moon-R-Fanart-43646335 , Black Fuku
http://club.ados.fr/kiwi_powa/sailor-moon-87996/photo/sailor-pluto-2-1185038.html , Black Fuku with key belt (so Manga Puu)
http://www.prose-n-poetry.com/games/puzzle_page/2 , Black Fuku
http://www.freewebs.com/sailorpictures/ , Green Fuku
http://www.rushita.com/sm/doll/plutofuku.png , Black Fuku

Seems the internet is the only one confused! And... all greens I found were fan-art. Try an image search for Sailor Pluto on Google and you'll find overwhelmingly black fukus. (I actually over-representated greens to drive home what kinds of pics with green fukus I was finding)

If you find official art where Puu is wearing a green Fuku, please let me know, but I don't think there is one. Black it stays.


Thanks for the input!


Edit: In fairness, I think I found a potential source for the confusion.

http://www.theanimegallery.com/image/14527 <- SM Laserdisc edition v.8 or something.

You'll note, however, that the shadows are green too, so the greenish tint I'd say actually means nothing in this context. But, it's enough for some fans to think her skirt is actually green and spread it around...

[Makoto]

I see her art colored with a green-ish secondary color, from time to time. However, it's just one of the methods used to create a black coloring/look without actually coloring the entire item/section black, or shades of gray, such as how you'll often see black things colored with dark blue shades instead (such as Akane's hair, for example).

[Cheb]

I just checked the anime.

Stars: black (but the VKLL Stars is a very old rip with bad encoding, there could be some dynamic range loss). Pluto's hair looks pitch black with green highlight.
R (ep.82): it's frigging *dark blue*! Still, it could be a method to add detail to a black object. The hair is green with lighter green highlights. Also, Uranus wasn't introduced yet at this point, so the anime directors thought they had some freedom

P.S. It's really black. I downloaded a Russian dub of that episode (ripped from TV I presume, as it has a channel logo on it). Pluto's hair isnt pitch-black anymore (it's very dark green with green highlights) but the skirt is still black (or maybe a very deep blue -- it's on the edge of the dynamic range, and the bow is different shade of black, see the images below).
So you were right, after all. I suppose Pluto's skirt being green originated from the R season.

[Cheb]

P.P.S. Ands still, it could have been the loss of dynamic range during the translation via analog TV.